Since Season 6 this game is just not about individual skill anymore. Your skill doesnt matter at all

ELRUBlUS OMG·Jul 23, 2019·55 votes·15,101 views

Its so sad that even if you go 10/0 in lane, but your whole team is turbo inting, you will lose the game. Even when youre smurfing. Nothing you can do. Ive watched Dopa lose 3 games in a row in silver, only because his teammates were inting. Nothing you can do. Even Faker complained about the current meta, wich he usually never does.

There is no "carrying" anymore, in fact, if your whole team is feeding, and you are the only one doing something usefull, you cant even risk anything anymore because of that insanely stupid shutdown gold, so when you die, you give the enemies even more gold so that they can stomp your team even harder. And if you roam around trying to help, it still doesnt matter when your team is just inting all day long from the first minute on.

Its all luck based. You can still climb, but your influence has become so low that skill doesnt matter anymore. What a trash game.

73 Comments

PyrosanJul 23, 201921 votes

Not to mention individual skill level is at an all time low because of this, game's never been more toxic and absolutely nothing's being done to address it lol

p3tm4sterJul 23, 201912 votes

You're 100% correct, and everyone who plays it say exactly that, because it's true. And they refuse to do anything about it. My guess is that we're all just waiting for another game that's amazing so we can jump ship.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 24, 20194 votes

Is there an alternative to League? I only know Dota 2 but thats supposed to be even worse then League, so Im kinda scared to try it.

FSRERJul 24, 20191 votes

Dota 2 has 2 problems First one being the complexity of the game which is very starter unfriendly and the Second one being that someone by paying can get very ahead in game

I rake beat youJul 24, 20193 votes

Explain. Please. I play DotA 2 and have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Aatrox AirlinesJul 24, 20193 votes

Dota 2 is a huge lump of cancer that you dont want to start with. Do yourself a favor and take my friendly advice.

Krispy CackJul 25, 20191 votes

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Dota 2 is a huge lump of cancer that you dont want to start with. Do yourself a favor and take my friendly advice.

it has assholes yes but it makes up with it by having 40 min + games which is soooooooooooooooooooooo nice

Midg3tJul 25, 20191 votes

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Is there an alternative to League? I only know Dota 2 but thats supposed to be even worse then League, so Im kinda scared to try it.

That game is pretty hard. And by that I mean even bots will shit on you until you get a hang of it.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 25, 20191 votes

I just heared that the toxicity there is even higher then in league, wich i cant really imagine since League basically tops every game when it comes to toxicity.

Midg3tJul 25, 20191 votes

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I just heared that the toxicity there is even higher then in league, wich i cant really imagine since League basically tops every game when it comes to toxicity.

idk, based on my experience, there was not a lot of toxicity. It's prolly similar to csgo, it depends on the elo.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 24, 20196 votes

They make it even worse with FF 15 for example. Since they introduced the FF at 15 function, people just instantly give up, they dont even try anymore. That wasnt the case back in S4 or S5...

FioraWillCarryJul 24, 20197 votes

In season 5 it was never the case that any game was over in 10 minutes. FF at 15 is necessary in season 9 so we don't go insane. I wish people would use it more though. Too many people don't surrender when we are lik 9-25 in 17 minutes. Like what the fuck. That is over.

Aatrox AirlinesJul 24, 20192 votes

Triggers me so hard when we are ridiculously far behind without hope to make a comeback and all ff votes end with 1/4 but we end up losing 10 mins later anyway

Spicy RiceJul 24, 20192 votes

Because honestly, it really doesn't become unwinnable till they have baron + supers.

Up till that point, you can basically stall and potentially get the right picks to come back into the game.

Honestly, the only reason you should be surrendering so early, is if you have an early game comp that completely got stomped, or you have an afk

FioraWillCarryJul 25, 20193 votes

I disagree. Any game where you have a team that is shit like 9-25 by 15 minutes should be surrendered. You can't stall anything being that far behind. Believe me, I've tried this over and over until I realized it was simply not possible. I will never try in such games anymore.

People like to believe they can stall out but no one ever actually really thinks about what that would actually mean. For a team to feed 25 to 30 kills between 15 and 20 minutes, means that this team is super r%%%%%ed. Stalling a game with such a massive gold/objective disparity out requires a very methodical approach, lots of patience and composure. A bunch of r%%%%%s running it down wouldn't suddenly become a disciplined, well oiled machine of order and precision. No, they would just run it down continuously while typing novels in the chat until the enemy team gets bored and actually decide to end the game. I mean come on, this is SoloQ, not the LCS.

Dunkey gives the best description of SoloQ I've ever heard:- https://youtu.be/VjzgbZL12VI?t=167

The KombinatorJul 26, 20191 votes

The strong becomes stronger in this game. Unless they intentionally lose you can't win against overfed early enemy. It's not just about the gold they got, but they also get every buff. Even if you stall until late, and both team fullbuild they still win, because of the buffs. And even if you luck out a teamfight, and win they respawn, and regroup before you can win.

In gold3 most players come to their senses upon first teamfight lose, and end it while they are at advantage. Also many teams don't even give you the chance of comeback. They just roll you down, and win in 23min.. In my lost games it's almost always over before 25. min.. Meaning that they absolutely destroyed us.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 24, 20195 votes

No, if you actually think about it, 95% of the time people wont ACTUALLY FF at 15 because of that 1 guy who is 1/10 and presses no.

So all that happens is that you have some people who want to FF at 15, and they wont try to play anymore, but they aint going to FF at 15 because of that 1 guy who is mostly the reason why you lose.

So what did the FF at 15 function truely do for us? It made it worse, because you now have people that just straight up surrender even tho the game still continues cuz somebody presses no.

The FF 15 function did nothing for us but encourage people to give up even earlier, but still have to play out the game because 95% of the time somebody presses no.

RumuJul 25, 20191 votes

They need to change FF 15 to majority and not unanimous... it's stupid to think that players in league think unanimously about anything.

Krispy CackJul 25, 20191 votes

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They make it even worse with FF 15 for example. Since they introduced the FF at 15 function, people just instantly give up, they dont even try anymore. That wasnt the case back in S4 or S5...

uh no that is way better. the games are 15 minutes basically anyway. it's that or just afk since your teammates make you suffer and won't ff.

JackMcCarryJul 24, 201915 votes

So, lets take your scenerio.

You're 10-0 in lane - great for you, you played well. But your team is 0/5, 0/6, 1/9, wouldnt that mean the enemy team is also just as fed, if not even more - than you are?

So in that scenerio, your team has 1 good player feasting on an "inting player", while the other team has several.

The question here is why do you deserve to solo carry against 2-4 fed enemies who won their lanes just as much as you did?

I think having 1 guy nullify the efforts of the entire enemy team is way worse than having 1 guy (or in your example smurf probably) feel good about himself because he won lane.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 24, 201917 votes

You dont seem to understand, its not about kills, its about skill. If somebody like Dopa cant carry a game in silver, then there has to be something wrong, dont u think? ANd that guy NEVER used to lose in low elo, period, ive been following Dopa for many years, and you could put him into low elo, have his monitor turned off, and he would still win because his skill was just so much higher. Not anymore tho.

That should tell you how little individual skill matters in this game.

EDIT: Even Faker complained about the state of the game recently, wich he NEVER did before... But I guess some random EUNE player like you knows it better, ofc.

JackMcCarryJul 24, 20196 votes

Not every game is winnable, it's a team game, if your idol dopa is so skilled why is he smurfing in Silver games against low elo players? Truly, the peak of league of legends skill ceilling.

But I guess some random EUNE player like you knows it better, ofc.

Nice jab, im guessing you're a well known and informed player yourself? Or you just parrot what streamers say?

LushsmokeJul 25, 20192 votes

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Not every game is winnable, it's a team game, if your idol dopa is so skilled why is he smurfing in Silver games against low elo players? Truly, the peak of league of legends skill ceilling.

Nice jab, im guessing you're a well known and informed player yourself? Or you just parrot what streamers say?

bruh thats not the point. If a top player losses 3 games in a row in silver due to inting teammates, that shows a clear flaw in the ranked system. It's RNG, you pray and hope that your teammates are good enough to not turbo int their lanes. It's a team game but if your team constantly feeds there is no team

JackMcCarryJul 25, 20192 votes

And that is a problem because? If someone is strong enough to 1v9 just from winning lane, i'd say the problem is much worse.

Stop looking only from your POV, for every inting team mate you have, the enemy team has a guy stomping his lane, so if 4 of your team mates are feeding the enemy team, they have 4 people who just like you, deserve to win their game.

1v9 is mot fair

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 25, 20192 votes

You really dont get the point do you? ** If a silver player gets fed, it cant have the same impact as if a challanger player gets fed.**

Dont you understand this simple point? Is your brain simply not capable of getting this?

p3tm4sterJul 23, 20197 votes

This is absolutely true, the only time you can really win is when you do well and everyone else doesn't int, or you all just don't int and the other team ends up inting a little. It's really a complete team effort and in that respect it's awful because in a game with this much toxicity 1 person can literally tilt your entire team into a loss.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 24, 20196 votes

Ye its sad, I wish there would be private servers that ran older version of league, like they do with WoW, so you could just play Season 5 again or something....

Aatrox AirlinesJul 24, 20192 votes

Split the entire playerbase in a million pieces. Great idea.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 24, 20192 votes

It is a great idea, I rather play with 10k people on a private server that runs a patch that is enjoyable, rather then playing with 10 million on a garbage patch / state of the game like we have now.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøJul 27, 20191 votes

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Ye its sad, I wish there would be private servers that ran older version of league, like they do with WoW, so you could just play Season 5 again or something....

there actually is but it is still very early in progress, it is barely in Alpha, League of Memories, check it out

ELRUBlUS OMGAug 11, 20191 votes

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME !???????!!?!?!?!

ARE U SERIOUS?????????? WHAT THE FUCK?!?? WHAT?????????

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøAug 11, 20191 votes

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YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME !???????!!?!?!?!

ARE U SERIOUS?????????? WHAT THE FUCK?!?? WHAT?????????

yep, that is the only early league private server that works, the client is still not open to public only to a select few, they have found an open source 4.20 version of the game, I believe that is the patch before the new map came out

ELRUBlUS OMGAug 11, 20191 votes

cant wait man... if thats actually happening, and there is a decent amount of people there and a stable sever, holy smokes.... im gonna have some serious fun again in league. Thats neat, hope the projects doesnt get cancelled for whatever reason.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøAug 11, 20191 votes

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cant wait man... if thats actually happening, and there is a decent amount of people there and a stable sever, holy smokes.... im gonna have some serious fun again in league. Thats neat, hope the projects doesnt get cancelled for whatever reason.

wait, i will give you a few links that you might find useful, there is currently a server in Paris for france and one will be opened/maybe is opened for na,

https://www.%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%.net/

https://discordapp.com/invite/ZQ87ue5

right now the fully playable champ which is remember is Ezreal, all of his old abilities work,

they have about 10 or 15 champions currently

TakaDamaJul 24, 20196 votes

It really isnt about carrying the game; in fact a fed champion can still snowball hard and carry their team to victory with proper support.

But that's the rub; even when so far behind that they can't even farm safely, players will still try and pretend they have carry potential instead of making the most of their situation and providing support for the actual carry. It's one thing to get caught out while warding dragon or baron, because then you give the rest of your team, including the carry, information about the enemy's location; it's another to fall in a teamfight even after the carry is taken out or forced to retreat.

RhaiJul 24, 20196 votes

I believe this to be the best answer. People of today have been conditioned into thinking that they have to carry, instead of helping someone else carry, and it's a huge mental shift from what it used to be. In general however, it might also be harder to solo carry as every character has higher minimum damage than the old days due to keystones making it easier to claim the bounty off someone.

preternaturalJul 24, 20196 votes

league of coinflip

XJ99999999999999Jul 24, 20195 votes

used to win 30 games in a row a lot on multiple accounts. now i can barely do a 3 win streak. fun game

Nea104Jul 24, 20194 votes

I think it's just one team usually being (far) better than the other one. Matchmaking issues. Never addressed, never will.

chipndip1Jul 24, 20194 votes

These boards are a joke.

Baby GhoulJul 24, 20193 votes

In low ELO, Silver to Plat more specifically, a major issue is the lack of counter pressure right now.

That on top of way too many broken champions to ban creates a toxic situation. There's certainly a lot of true inters in ranked, but more often than not in low ELO, a little counter pressure could go a long way, especially if they are against divers like Pyke.

Instead what tends to happen is one jungler chooses to camp for a single lane, typically top lane, while the other jungler causes havoc all over the map and puts everyone else behind. Which kind you get is up to chance. I've had countless games in Gold where we get no dragons because the jungler wants to bet it all on top lane, and it just rarely pays off.

QuM1tSuk3 YTJul 24, 20193 votes

Join me to play some Warframe/TF2/CSGO when you can't get cancer because these games are fun. Even dota is fun honestly.

mack9112Jul 24, 20192 votes

BeIng able to work with your team is a skill. If you go 10/0 and the rest of your team is playing poorly then you flame them all disgustingly then yeah they is a loss.

I have had numerous matches that I was the only well performing player on my team but through remaining positive and trying my best I could still pull through a win.

I rake beat youJul 24, 20192 votes

You're right. Your own skill level has absolutely nothing to do with winning anymore. You are 100% at the mercy of your teammates and thus Riots match making system. Which people have been saying for month is so far beyond broken that it's ridiculous.

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 25, 20192 votes

Yea its all about the early game and wich team gets the trolls/inters/bad players. Thats it. You barely even make it to 6 items anymore, most games you get 2-3 items and by that time the game is over.

You can still climb but its just not fun anymore.

preternaturalJul 24, 20192 votes

the community wanted solo carry potential to be nerfed so now it generally doesn't matter how well you farm or how far behind you put your opponent or if you were the supreme laner and were ungankable ontop of being dangerous as fuck for enemy team to go near. doesn't matter now. the casuals got what they wanted. moar team play. but then, something uncanny happened, the assassins were pushed to the top of the balance heirarchy while the tanks were moved to the bottom. so that "team play" everyone wanted now has to be animeesque super jumpy TOP SHONEN tier shit straight out of teh nardo war arcs. which i'm wondering is this what people wanted or did people want that methodical slow balling 5v5 with the two tanks meeting each other for a meet and greet while their teams go haywire around them. cause the latter certainly doesn't happen too much mobility for tanks to be useful.

EvidenceJul 25, 20192 votes

i remember season 6,new rework on my main yorick champ,season6 and 7 if my bot feeds,np i powerfarm top,win my lane and carry my team,as a tank yorick ,imagine that,now i cant climb cuz it seems playin top cant do u much.

LordGeovanniJul 26, 20192 votes

1 nobody is inting. 2 even if they are doing bad you just said yourself getting ahead doesnt mean much 3 you and alot of other people just need to learn to stop baby raging and slow down the game and secure / defend objectives to turn it around. 4 the same way you crying about your allies feeding the enemies are crying about their allies doing the same thing most of the time if they arent then they just better because they learned the skill of growing up and putting their baby rage behind them.

MavëríckJul 24, 20191 votes

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Its so sad that even if you go 10/0 in lane, but your whole team is turbo inting, you will lose the game. Nothing you can do. I watched Dopa lose 3 games in a row in silver, only because his teammates were inting. Nothing you can do.

There is no "carrying" anymore, in fact, if your whole team is feeding, and you are the only one doing something usefull, you cant even risk anything anymore because of that insanely stupid shutdown gold, so when you die, you give the enemies even more gold so that they can stomp your team even harder. And if you roam around trying to help, it still doesnt matter when your team is just inting all day long from the first minute on.

Its all luck based. Skill doesnt matter anymore. What a trash game.

Where do you balance it and draw the line between 1 person deciding the game and the team being able to comeback by pulling together?

ELRUBlUS OMGJul 25, 20192 votes

No need for scientific explanations, just give us season 4-6 back, job done. It was perfect back then. Or almost perfect, way better then now.