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Talks about League of Legends ergonomics.

Shurikend··42 votes·11,130 views

Hi Summoners,

Me & my friend are studying game design & programming in a video game school in Paris, and we had an little assignment about ergonomics. We choose to study LoL and find some "improvable" points. There's a set of pictures to illustrate a little in the end of the post. Tell us what you guys think :)

Spells: If the player leveled a spell by mistake, he can’t go back on its choice. A possible solution would be to be able to come back on this decision for a few seconds (canceled if player use a spell).

TAB screen: The TAB screen can be pretty confusing and is a bit messy, filled with a lot of informations without a clear organization. The player has to takes time to search and find the informations he needs, with no relation to his actual skill. A possible solution would be to give to the player a more flexible screen, with the option to organize this screen like the spectator mode (selection his main opponent and putting him side by side with himself).

UI: The UI is very strict and unchangeable. It can cause “dead angles” kind of situations. Like if a player is on the top side, the spell bar may hide a bit of the screen, and forces the player to move the camera in what might be an uncomfortable position. A possible solution would be to be able to move/customize the UI.

Pings: The number of pings is very limited and doesn’t permit a “fast” non verbal communication. A possible solution would be to have more pings.

Loading screen: The loading screen is the first time team can see their opponents, and in blind mode they can’t even talk about a strategy . A team chat box would be nice

Thanks for reading and for your feedbacks :)

59 Comments

Shurikend89 votes

item 3152 YOUR ATTENTION, due to an error in the poll if you wanted to vote for the "Loading screen" just up this comment as a vote. Thanks for your feedback :)

RiotRiot Sotere42 votes

Where's the loading screen option?!

Shurikend24 votes

Hy, we thought about this: http://i.imgur.com/jIMTdBC.jpg

Jeddy0172 votes

I think he or she means the poll....

Shurikend3 votes

dem you are right! but how can i edit it ?!

RiotRiot Sotere26 votes

That does look sexy. Just makes me want to vote on it more.

Shurikend7 votes

Do you or an admin have the possibility to change the poll? I feel bad right now :)

RiotRiot Sotere29 votes

I clicked a lot of things and nothing good happened. Sorry :(

Shurikend5 votes

np, thanks for your try ^^ if you still want to vote just up the comment about it pls :) have a nice day.

S H A Y C 02 votes

just a small bit of criticism mr riot, but instead of voting for the modification you could maybe...i don't know spin your chair around and shout down the hall to R&D and tell them they need to check this out, just saying.

RiotRiot Sotere6 votes

I'm lucky enough to normally not have to work weekends, but will make sure others have looked tomorrow when I get in. I suspect a Rioter on the relevant team has seen this thread, but it doesn't hurt to make sure!

Shurikend2 votes

Thanks so much for your contribution :) so happy to see that Riot is not far from us :) Do your best !

S H A Y C 01 votes

That's more like it, and make sure anybody on your org chart that thinks this is a bad idea gets a recommendation to be let go...because honestly the only way to not see that this should be implemented at some point in the future is to have absolutely ZERO vision and be completely outdated and irrelevant to this century and in software you really dont want them on the team.

Thanks for at least pretending to pay attention :P

Shurikend1 votes

Hey, I would like to thank you again, I don't really know if this post is realated to the recent UI changes on pbe but if it is, thanks a lot ;).

GeoPeter7 votes

Yeah I would love to be able to talk strategy while waiting for the game to load. Also, to pass the time joking with people if someone is loading slowly. Getting to know your team prior to the start may even help avoid raging during the game.

Drunkèn Master1 votes

Very well could make the raging worse...we can hope for the best tho! I would like it!

GeoPeter1 votes

I suppose if someone is unhappy with team comp the pre-game chat could go badly, but I feel overall this would be a positive addition.

Shurikend1 votes

if you start raging even in the loading screen how are u in game oO"

GeoPeter1 votes

What I mean is that people tend to not rage online at people they like, where as some people have no problem being toxic to complete strangers. By being able to talk and joke before the match, players get to know the people they're playing with, and thus are more likely to hold their tongue when things go badly in game. In short, my theory is "pre-game joking = less toxicity in-game."

conzyplays2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GFLEjIB6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-10T21:16:15.192+0000)

Where's the loading screen option?!

I agree, I was gonna vote that as well. All of them would be extremely useful tho. I really don't see why you couldn't implement them all.

58304318_DEL4 votes

How about gamma, contrast and saturation video settings? Simple option, yet so helpful!

Riotko please?

xu1D7eJdSi2 votes

All of these seem like great additions!

MrBuffington2 votes

One thing I wanted to add: In addition to the customizable UI, the left side bar that shows your allies, if you can change the order of your allies on your client side/screen so that you can organize say, ally 1, 2, 3, and 4, based on their role, so when you use your f keys, you can always switch to a specific ally instead of having to relearn which f key corresponds to which role every game.

BeezLionmane2 votes

I think the ability to flip the ui along the diagonal y=-x axis would be helpful. That way those of us that play bot lane wouldn't be hampered by the ui elements when playing on red side, or those of us who prefer to play on one side wouldn't have to deal with playing on the other, because for us we would still seem to start from the same side of the map.

Glitter Spitter2 votes

Loading screen chat is a must!

Lady Septimus2 votes

I think the UI could use some improvement. So i definitely second that

The UI is very strict and unchangeable. It can cause “dead angles” kind of situations. Like if a player is on the top side, the spell bar may hide a bit of the screen, and forces the player to move the camera in what might be an uncomfortable position. A possible solution would be to be able to move/customize the UI.

the dead angles on purple side are quite annoying

Junkο2 votes

Why no All option in the pool?

Shurikend1 votes

we get trouble during the creation of the poll and for no reason Loading screen do not appear :/ but the first comment is to vote for it.

Ruzhy62 votes

{quoted} UI: The UI is very strict and unchangeable. It can cause “dead angles” kind of situations. Like if a player is on the top side, the spell bar may hide a bit of the screen, and forces the player to move the camera in what might be an uncomfortable position. A possible solution would be to be able to move/customize the UI. Thanks for reading and for your feedbacks :)

You might want to search for a post on the old forums that had data on mouse movement for blue vs purple side.

Tin Tarantino1 votes

The pings are limited to reduce spamming, which can get annoying. unless you meant more types of pings, which would be usefull.

The tab screen is fine, but the ability to rearrange players could be usefull, e.g. always have the support on the bottom and the jungler on top.

The undo spells thing probably wouldn't really be that necessary, I've messed up and put 3 levels into shunpo before but that's mostly because I don't play Katarina very often. So my fault really.

the loading screen chat seems like it would be the most useful, for discussing win conditions and strategies, giving tips vs an unfamiliar opponent, that sort of thing.

the ability to freely move the UI elements is something people have been requesting for quite a while.

A feature I would want is a button above the mini map to turn auto attacks on/off

Shurikend12 votes

Good analyse, but for the ping i think you dont realy understood my suggestion, it's not about more ping to spam but more different pings: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=949040&d=1398128518 but you have the same spam restriction ^^ but thanks for your feedback :)

Tin Tarantino1 votes

It wasnèt really clear from the wording, but yeah, more ping types could be usefull, the target and retreat pings right now are pretty much just copies so some of them could be swapped.

Thryale1 votes

Yeah, I feel that the red "alert" pings were a poor choice, simply because half of their use cases are already fulfilled by the yellow gtfo pings

Hobbsgoblin1 votes

I would say put an Ultimate Timer next to their portrait where the green light is to show its off CD. Condense "Danger" and "Assist Me", it would function as Danger when marking things like enemies, enemy towers or minimap locations not near your character. It would function as "Assist Me" when targeting things like yourself, your structures, your wards. That way its only 6 ping types.

NorthernDruid1 votes

Ultimate timers would be neat.

To your second suggestion, I'll note that I very often ping OMW and Assist plx at the same time when heading to a location.

changing that from "I'm headed to dragon, come help me take it" to "I'm heading to dragon, that area is not safe" is kind of a large hit to communication functions.

Thryale1 votes

while more pings would be nice, there is a point at which you'll have too many. Take the image you used as an example. That's waaaaaay too many pings. Would each one be useful in and of themselves? Yes, definitely. But if you cram all of them together, then you are not only going to have a difficult time visually, but also cognitively as you try to keep track of which ping sounds like what and such.

Slushi Simcambi4 votes

The ult up in seems unnecessarily large.

What if it just automatically said how much CD was left on your ult?

Shurikend3 votes

You are totaly right ! It would be more ergonomic I think :)

killd0zer3 votes

I hate this image. It's way too clustered and it would be so easy to do the wrong ping

Shurikend14 votes

Yeah maby you are right it can be confusing... but What do you think about this one: http://gamexnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/4pings-edited.jpg

Drunkèn Master1 votes

I like this a lot, but it should be alt+v...js!

Glitter Spitter1 votes

i love this

I Main Swain1 votes

I made a post about this several months ago in which I suggested a solution to people's problem with this particular setup of new pings

Shurikend1 votes

Yeah actually our idea was to resum few suggestions, some of them were already spoted by the communauty like you did :) We are just updating it, and we hope that riot will have a new look to this. So talk about it to all the people you know and ask them to vote here ;)summoner 4

Hizsoo1 votes

That image is really bad example, solves almost non of the problems about how to communicate non verbally and effectively in a least amount of time. I can ping things like get away from him, pretend retreat or just point at someone (ONCE!) than ping assist me. It could be really important and helpful to let them know who did that. Pinging about the enemy is something else I would like to be improved. It can be hard to point at an enemy and there is only one ping option with it. You pointed out a few things which are already known, but I don't think there is anything for a step forward.

Daughter of Nox1 votes

I definitely agree with the Spells and UI changes. Tons of customization options should always be the first priority of Riot. Everyone is different, and everyone plays differently. The loading screen seems nice, but one of less necessary improvements. I don't really see anything wrong with the current ping system, but I wouldn't mind much if it were changed. Lastly, yes to the TAB screen. Yes to more organization. Please, gods, yes!

When I first saw this, I thought that it was about the aesthetics of League. Imo, those need some work too. You guys should check into that.

XxXGwanXxX1 votes

Where's the "All of them"

Altricad1 votes

Is there ever gonna be a option to rotate the camera?

It might seem silly, but the camera as it is HEAVILY favors the blue side, since the actual screen view is the shape of a trapezium that allows more view forward than backward.

Now, I use the un-locked cam but still find it VERY difficut to land skillshots on the purple side. It might cause confusion, but this would be really helpful

Pls Rito :(

Angry Monster1 votes

your spell idea goes against the concept of mastery of and in the game. I am against babying players.

TAB is not that bad. Top half is always blu and bottom side is always red. Top most is dragons.

Where would you move the UI to? The corners are the most out of the way you can get. Plus you can shrink and flip the UI to maximize screen size.

Pings. What do you mean pings are not quick? I can agree that maybe that the wheel needs to be expanded to 6. Though you go to far in descriptions. I can go all game with only doing smart pings. Yellow means missing if in a lane or unsure if in a non lane, can mean retreat when comboed with red. Red means danger or major objective. There is the OMW so people know. The fact that you think its does not work makes me not trust you to work on it. Could it be better? yes, though you have to understand what has achieved.

Meh loading screen. Its just a place to troll and flame more. It is your most harmless idea though.

I almost think we are playing different games.

Weazyritzstrket1 votes

all of the above

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