How to catch up as adc.

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1. That’s irrelevant. You generated 1k gold for your team in one shot. And okay fine. Let’s chop 300 gold off because you seem to think support gold is irrelevant. THATS STILL 700 GOLD FROM ONE KILL. As for the perfect cs remark. If you are under no pressure, yeah you should have perfect if not near perfect cs. Also I was not account for the support and adc dying at the same time. This is one kill. And if the other stays in this 2v1 or tries to contest, they will be killed. It’s not a question. It will happen.

2. 1k gold off one kill is EXTREMELY impactful. Do you even play this game? That’s almost the difference between having a bf sword and not. That’s almost an entire sheen. As for fixing the mistake, the mistake isn’t fixable now. It’s already done. You already fucked up and handed your enemy 1000 gold.

3. That was mostly sarcasm. Which I should know the forums has no grasp of. But. Mages have an extreme amount of kill pressure as does Lucien. So no. My point stands.

4. Massive skill lead. No. It takes one kill to snowball. Just one. Then it takes a massive skill lead to come back. You have to play at almost 2 ranks higher than the enemy to come back. Unless you are in bronze. Then a trained chimp could probably manage it.

This game is feast or feed now. You either win the game or lose just as hard. And while yes, comebacks are a thing, the exception is not the average.

1. You said kill and assist. Thus, two deaths for the enemy team. You are also working in major theory, and also due to your experience (or to me i see the lack there of) you think that you are playing against or with bots pretty much. Always predictable, always know what they are going to do, always know how it will turn out. The support getting gold is not important. The adc getting gold is the important part unless they are playing a damage carry support like Brand, Velkoz, Lux, Neeko, etc. Supports work with the gold they get. You dont hear often a support complain about no assist, unlike an adc whine that the support got the kill or didnt back off the tower or whatever. If i get gold, i am getting items that help out my ADC generally (for example, Zyra first item usually is Rylais or Liandires, both help with poking enemy out of lane. Janna/lulu/nami first item is a toss up between redemption and ardent. Etc)

You are living in a perfect world which is not league. Especially since i have contested and killed the enemy ADC or support because they overstayed. I am also a support main, and have been for about 4 years or so. So i know very well how bot lane goes, and how easily it can turn from good to bad, or bad to good. It all revolves around power spikes. For example, Lucian and Thresh have a power spike of level 2. They will most likely win lane unless they play badly or unless the enemy bot laners can match their engage. Kogmaw and twitch need a bit more, their power spikes are with Hurricane and Bork mostly though twitch's level 6 does help too. Once they get those, they can absolutely shred team fights if they are not focused/if the team provides enough peel. I can go on with this list, but you will likely not understand why these things are important to know for people.

2. I do play this game quite a bit. I have about 6000 normal games alone not including anything else. My commentary of the fact that 1000 gold is not a major handicap is because of power spikes costing different amounts, and having varying degrees of spike. Also, you are forgetting about if the enemy was shoved off the minions in the first place before dieing (inwhich usually involves a gank inwhich it is not assured that the adc will get the kill....) so they could just be catching up, rather than pulling ahead. But then again in your perfect world, everyone had perfect cs and then all of a sudden one side just magically exploded and the other one of that side magically just disappears until the other one comes back.... then still keeps perfect cs. That is what your story is telling me. Do you even play bott lane at all?

3. What you said was false and so you say it was sarcasm, when you opened your mouth and inserted your foot into a thread that was asking for advice on how to do this, which you are saying is impossible.... but yet it is very easily done if everyone does not have the mentality that you are trying to promote.

4. Gee. Here i thought we were playing league of legends, not some world of tanks type game where if you die you are unable to play anymore throughout the entire game. Maybe all the comebacks that i have done and that my team mates have done were just flukes. Maybe the knowledge of itemization of ahead or behind is absolutely and totally useless along with how to stay safe when behind and how to farm under tower is useless because if you arnt ahead you should just uninstall right away! Dang, this makes league life so much easier! Good thing that i met someone like you to make me rethink how i play league!

The only people that say that you cant catch up are those that have been playing for only a few months and are often bronze mentality that watch some streamer and then recites their commentary like they are bible quotes at sunday school. The only reason im even bothering with you right now is because i do not want to see newer players get confused with the bs that you are trying to push as a fact.

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I learned the hard way not to rely on this. One particular match up where I was Fiora going against a Darius, I fucked up and gave him the first kill. As any top lane main would tell you, the first kill decides who owns the lane from that point on. So with the lane being firmly in his control, I do the only sensible thing I could, I hung back and tried to get as much CS as he would allow me to. The idea was to out scale him since I was a Fiora. The next thing you know, my team mates start feeding. Realizing that this could be lost, I made a last ditch effort to get back into the game by trying to kill Darius. But his lead was too great and I gave him yet another kill. I spent the rest of the game desperately trying to claw my way back into the game while Darius rampaged throughout the map getting kill after kill. Knowing that Fiora outscales Darius, I tried to 1v1 him three times after getting item spikes and all three times I died. We lost the game. In hindsight I realized that despite Fiora outscaling Darius, leads matter a whole lot more. The only way I was ever going to win a 1v1 with Darius that game was if I was full build at that point. With me and my team all feeding our assess off, there was no way the game was going to last long enough for me to reach full build. That game was well over long before it actually ended.

I learned that the best way to come back is not to fall behind in the first place. Whenever I fuck up and go 0-2 or 0-3 in lane, I consider that a personal failure and I'm ready to surrender. I should not be dying multiple times in lane, when I do that, I know that I deserve to lose.

Over the preseason, before I got my current 14 ban, I've been focusing exclusively on learning how to lane better. I intend to get so good at it that feeding in lane would be a thing that happens to me once in 20 games. I'm a long way from being that good but I'm sure no Challenger player would EVER lose lane in any game below Diamond 4, so it is definitely possible to learn how to never feed in lane at my elo. Focusing on learning how to come back from a loss in my opinion is just a waste of time. Playing from behind? Bullshit.....learn how to not get behind. I think that is a much better way to approach the game.

It's quite a rare thing for a team to throw a massive lead. It's a freak occurrence. In 20 games where you and your team get stomped, you may make a come back in only one of those games.

The problem occurs that Darius and Fiora are actually very similar spikes, though in different ways. Darius has his spikes as pure damage and tankiness, Fiora is damage and mobility. Yes, between the two, if Fiora played very well then she could end up beating darius fairly easy.... but she also has a higher skill level needed than darius. Someone can pick up darius and pretty easily beat a person who just picks up fiora, however once the fiora is good she is hell for darius.

It is a pretty decent goal you have, but sometimes playing from behind could have you picking up some items you might not normally.... which then lets you have some fun niche ways of playing. For example, i like to do Relic support Neeko when i have a melee ally to transform to for example on matchups that could be a bit more pokey. It adds a bit of sustain that is quite needed, and i can use Demolish with her and be doing some pretty decent tower damage even early on for a few cheese plates faster.

I do want to point out to you same as i did to the other person.... the OP said when you are behind as ADC. Not as a team which is what you keep going to saying thaf it is impossible when the team does X.

Kills still mean near nothing if they can not get objectives off of the kills. And as someone who does beat laners in top and mid even after they get ganks and i end up dieing a few times.... it is not impossible. It is not even rare that people throw leads, especially based on team comps and how well the people work together. Yes, it could be harder, or it could be hard to get to the spike you need.... but it is certainly not as impossible as people claim.

Also, in that match my team won with 30 less kills, we only dipped under the enemy gold for a little bit. Otherwise we had more gold than them for pretty much the entire time. It has been a while since then, so i do not have video of it, but the same basic concepts apply. Farm/objectives > kills.

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You say it, WORLDS, competitive games are by far much more different than normal SoloQ, if you go solo bot after losing turret in soloQ you will end farming only 2 minion waves if you push normally until somo random high burst and resist champion comes to kill you and people in soloQ pushes sidelanes less often than they do with midlane, the only reason to go for a normal player to go to push a sidelane is because there's a fresh champion to kill him, with the movement speed right now in the game a wave at the middle of a sidelane is just a bait to get someone to kill you, if you slowpush the wave it ends being a bit contraproducent since everytime theres someone skirmishing 2v2 or 3v3 and it's easier to get gold from kills right now than from slowpushing and creating big waves even if it's a 50-50 loss reward situtation at least in low diamond-low plat, i think it would be worse in lower elos. Maybe isn't impossible if you want to put it like that, but it is pretty unworthy or doesn't deserve the effort compared to pick Lucian and go skirmishing with others until you are ahead enough to try to shotcall objectives

That is just one of the publicized examples. There are many more that happen all throughout the day that are not recorded because not everyone wants to be spending all their time doing videos, or that do not want to be streaming, or maybe they are streaming but they are not popular so everyone disregards them entirely.

Ive won games that we played out that everyone wanted to quit, ive lost games that should have been assured wins. All in all, there is only 1 assured 100% loss. Everything else has variables inwhich could mean the difference between winning or losing, but surrendering is 100% loss and the fact that people cant get that through their head, yet they spam surrender vote at minute 5 if they could and then are SHOCKED that they have a losing streak is beyond me.

I do not play to have assured losses. I play to play. Doesnt matter what elo you are, it is stupid as all get out to be surrendering as much as everyone does. I will not, and never will condone surrendering just because you want to surrender. Too many games that EASILY could have been won have been lost because people "just want the game done and over with" so they surrender and give up. Guess what? Surrendering is giving up. Giving up is reportable. Maybe i should start reporting people who start spamming surrender even when nobody else wants to surrender?

Yes, all those people who complain about people like me who never surrender and wants to report us, hasnt figured out that spamming surrender vote is actually reportable because it is a form of giving up. I personally choose not to utilize it like that, but im getting to the point that i really am tempted to.