Need help convincing a new player who is my friend that warlords is not a good keystone on aniva

MeryXmas··46 votes·3,974 views

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I have explained it many times to him reccomending him guides and other keystones but he just wont listen to me, can anyone type out a well thought out way to explain why it's not good and why it should not be used for this champion that he mains. here is what he has said to me

"yes thats what that guide you sent me had for the keystone and i looked up auto attack, every champ auto attacks thats just what they call when a champ just stands there and whenever an enemy is nearby they start attacking them so warlord bloodlust and lifesteal does work with anivia"

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Touch My Box55 votes

"Listen here shitlord. You are new to the game and garbage. Warlords on Anivia, your league career is a meme. Take TLD or DFT and you might improve."

blueberrypancake29 votes

Quality advice

Name checks out

no kappa

Velzard of Koz12 votes

Much intervention

Many help

Swarovsko8 votes

When the name fits the player lol

CancerBasedGod40 votes

He needs to uninstall...

LankPants30 votes

Maybe telling him the numbers would help. Warlords maxes out at 15% lifesteal now, so on average it's going to be about 7%, if his Anivia has 73 AD then he's healing for 5 HP per attack. At level 9 (where he'd have this) he'd have 0.7ish AS, meaning if he's in full AA mode he'd heal for 3.5 HP per second, VS champions. It's 25% effect VS creeps so if he's AAing creeps he's getting a pathetic 1.25 HP per AA and 0.875 HP/sec. At this level his base HP regen is about 2 per sec, so for his keystone he's conditionally increasing his regen by 50%. There's a mastery in Resolve that's an unconditional 50%-200% increase at T4 and that's considered garbage.

drakuIa4212 votes

maybe he's building ad on anivia?

Spoofghoul3 votes

i think that could actually work with DFT givng dot's for AD should work well with ulti and the single target ice ball thingy

throw in a muramana obviously for mana and also helps on anivia single target spell

but last i checked DFT is getting nerfed because of jhin so this might not be possible for much longer

you could probably do some stupid build like item 3158 item 3042 item 3027 item 3085 item 3040 item 3065

and get like 400 ad and ap and just chunk multiple people with muramana procs which happen to heal you due to rod of ages

and then you deal a ton of aoe burn damage too it's pretty derpy and needs like forever to scale but who cares you can just sit under turret and waveclear all day since you get plenty of mana to do so lol

MrHaZeYo1 votes

DFT is getting it's AD nerfed.

Spoofghoul3 votes

yea to 0.4 ratio from 0.6

because jhin

fuck jhin

0.6 wasn't good enough had to be 4 . . .

Praetor Notorias1 votes

You will need angry shoes for the attackspeed. I also take nothing but autoattack runes when I do this. But I usually go an AP route. This thread has inspired me to try an AD build. The ap route is so much more effective though and it plays the same and is just as trolly.

DepressedAhri5 votes

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angry shoes

LankPants1 votes

I really hope you're trolling. That build wouldn't give 400 AD and AP, it would give about 250 AP and 200 AD. Your only AP items are RoA and Seraphs and your only AD item is Muramana. You have no real focus, because you try to build so many stats you end up with none. You're also trying to stack 2 tears, so your build would barely function until 35 minutes.

Starcraft243ver22 votes

You can just show him the maths.

But to be honnest it looks like he is stubborn and doesnt want to improve, maybe some people can't be helped and should be let alone.

Geauxx18 votes

at that point, if they want to be stubborn and argue with you, you just let down keep doing dumb stuff until they learn the hard way.

EDIT: or even better, play anivia, body your friend hard and if they ask why they are losing really bad, say it's because they are using warlords.

MeryXmas17 votes

I guess I'm too nice with him, I know him in real life but I just hate playing with him. Before I told him he didnt know he could buy items in pieces and he would save up the full 2500-3200 gold to buy the whole item, he just feeds and he's not fun to play with because I dont want to get mad at him :/ He also thought hydra was a good item on Kassadin and will accidentally buy 2 pairs of boots and not refund them.

Perma CC1 votes

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I guess I'm too nice with him, I know him in real life but I just hate playing with him. Before I told him he didnt know he could buy items in pieces and he would save up the full 2500-3200 gold to buy the whole item, he just feeds and he's not fun to play with because I dont want to get mad at him :/ He also thought hydra was a good item on Kassadin and will accidentally buy 2 pairs of boots and not refund them.

I could easily explain it to him... if he added me and show him in a custom why it's not good.

MeryXmas2 votes

Thanks, I've tried my best, I told him to add you, hes not on now but me may be on tomorrow afternoon.

Bladeƒire4 votes

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I guess I'm too nice with him, I know him in real life but I just hate playing with him. Before I told him he didnt know he could buy items in pieces and he would save up the full 2500-3200 gold to buy the whole item, he just feeds and he's not fun to play with because I dont want to get mad at him :/ He also thought hydra was a good item on Kassadin and will accidentally buy 2 pairs of boots and not refund them.

I feel as though being mad is the only way, I got a friend into league and suprisingly flaming him went through his stubbornness and now he's an alright player

Wheatloaf7 votes

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Before I told him he didnt know he could buy items in pieces and he would save up the full 2500-3200 gold to buy the whole item

Sweats profusely I actually made the same mistake when I started... I was a little bit more open to the input of other, more experience players, though.

Nut on my Butt1 votes

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Sweats profusely I actually made the same mistake when I started... I was a little bit more open to the input of other, more experience players, though.

Same I used to do that too lol

Xosra1 votes

I also used to think you need to buy it as a whole. I was so bad.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Heh. I never made that mistake. But I did think in ARAM that you could only buy items at the very beginning. This went on FAR longer than it should have. ._.

50000000000000002 votes

Well, we all sucked when we first started. He probably just needs some practice.

13900 Essence14 votes

Do they take tp and ignite mid? If they do i might have wiped the floor with them as gp mid a week or 2 ago.

Edit: No seriously I played against an ignite/teleport warlord's anivia a while ago. I probably got matched with you two because I was duoing with a low-lvl friend, assuming your friend is also low-lvl.

TheDelighted13 votes

"yes thats what that guide you sent me had for the keystone and i looked up auto attack, every champ auto attacks thats just what they call when a champ just stands there and whenever an enemy is nearby they start attacking them so warlord bloodlust and lifesteal does work with anivia"

You just can't match against that kind of logic. Its just too much.

MeryXmas1 votes

hahahahah

Velzard of Koz4 votes

You can counterlogic though. Tell him DFT is for abilities and all champions use abilities so it's good on Anivia. Just prevent him from looking at the last mastery tree or he might pick something from there because all champs have Health.

CrosisThePurger10 votes

"all champions have health and anivia has CC so courage of the colossus is good"

ahferroin72 votes

Actually, her wall can proc it (it displaces people, which is hard CC), so it's not a horrible choice. I play her support on occasion, and that's all I use in that case. It's far better for her than Grasp or Bond are.

13900 Essence3 votes

If courage was still in it's release state, I'd consider taking it on any champion with cc. Even some without because the satchel plants can proc it.

Irelia Bot9 votes

Break up with him because you guys are clearly not compatible if he is not even willing to entertain your suggestions.

Splitgrips5 votes

I think your friend knows more about the game than you do. Lethality is over powered right now meaning warlords on everything.
Caitlyn Lucian Vayne Tristana Ashe Anivia all warlords. Warlords is the thing man.

13900 Essence3 votes

If you want lethality, correct me if I'm wrong, but the mastery that gives it is in the same tree as T Lord's.

chipndip15 votes

"I need help convincing my friend that he needs to uninstall the game."

In all seriousness: If he won't listen, him losing will make him listen.

Solidarius3 votes

Dont even bother, let him play and enjoy the game... let him experiment with AD Anivia and see for himself

trust me some people just need to learn the HARD way.

to be honest thats how I learned LOL

PermabannedGaren3 votes

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I have explained it many times to him reccomending him guides and other keystones but he just wont listen to me, can anyone type out a well thought out way to explain why it's not good and why it should not be used for this champion that he mains. here is what he has said to me

"yes thats what that guide you sent me had for the keystone and i looked up auto attack, every champ auto attacks thats just what they call when a champ just stands there and whenever an enemy is nearby they start attacking them so warlord bloodlust and lifesteal does work with anivia"

Sure, I'll type up a post you can directly send your friend.

"Dear new summoner, What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you a moron? Are you so filled with unwarranted self-importance that you think that you understand this game better than people who have been playing it for years? Do you think you're some grand innovator who knows how to play Anivia better than people who have dedicated themselves to learning her through hundreds of games? Fuck you, you're nothing special, just a fucking nobody who will probably end up in bronze or low silver and unable to get out like most of this fucking playerbase.

Anyway, warlord's bloodlust is bad on Anivia because lifesteal is bad on Anivia. Lifesteal is bad on Anivia because she isn't viable when built with AD, attack speed, or crit. None of her abilities scale with those stats, they all scale with raw AP, and she doesn't have any steroids that enhance the built stats' effectiveness. A champion like Talon builds full AD and armour penetration because his abilities have very good AD scaling and deal physical damage. An ADC like Jinx builds crit, attack speed, AD, and lifesteal because her kit has powerful steroids in the form of her passive and her Q that amplifies the effectiveness of the built stats. Anivia has nothing like that. Her Q only scales with AP, her W scales with nothing, her E scales with AP, and her ult scales with AP. None of her abilities increase the power of the stats mentioned that warlord's bloodlust is good for. So don't take it, it's bad on her. I'd recommend thunderlord's decree, since with an ult>Q>E it is very easy to proc it, and it has scaling with the AP you build. Sincerely, PermabannedGaren"

MeryXmas1 votes

haha gave me a good laugh

Aeszarck3 votes

Oh man, what a way to join the Boards. Nice work MeryXmas, this thread is great.

Muzét3 votes

You know I learned to listen the hard way. My friend told me to come 1v1 (It was in S4), I picked some random champs et pick kata and raped me once. Afterwards I chose to pick Kata (if he could do it i could do the same right ?) and he picked Zilean and raped me all over again. What did I learn? That I love to be raped That I should listen to his advice and I did more by asking him many questions about the game and stuff afterwards. So go for it. Rape the f- out of him. And if he doesn't work stop playing with him until he get it.

no to toxic2 votes

Okay i will tell you how you must do it:

  1. Dude dont take warlords. 2.Its the secret formula dude i need the sustainsssssssss
  2. You are right we all need the sustains You both kiss, and then you wake up wondering why you decided to think so much about this post
Leo10242 votes

warlords is best on anivia

MeryXmas1 votes

lol

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Your friend's one reason why we need Wood Division.

ahferroin72 votes

Let's do some simple math.

Anivia has about average attack speed at level one, but abysmally low attack speed at level 18, and is at best below average for attack damage at all levels. Because she has below average stats for auto-attack focused builds, and none of her abilities scale off of anything but ability power, a good damage build on Anivia only includes AP, not AD (with the rare exception of a Hextech Gunblade, but that's an insanely situational build, and you don't build it for the attack damage).

A typical build on Anivia results in her ult doing about 170 damage per second (80 base plus about 90 bonus (from 12.5% of 720, which is about typical end-game AP for her)).

At level 18, her AD is 106 and her attack speed is roughly 0.8, which means she can make a total of 5 attacks every six seconds, and on average deals 88 damage per second with auto attacks every second if she's continuously attacking, meaning that a standard build will result in her AA's doing about 51% of the damage her ult does in the same time against a single target.

Warlord's Bloodlust caps out at 15% life steal at 80% missing HP. 15% of 88 is 13.2, so if you're at 20% or lower HP remaining, you'll heal 13.2 HP with an auto attack and Warlord's, but only if it's against a champion! If it's against a minion, then you only heal for 1/4 of that, or 3.3 HP, which actually is lower than your health regen at level 18 with a normal Anivia build. If it's against a structure or monster (non-minion non-champion), you heal nothing (lifesteal and spellvamp don't work on damage to structures, and Warlord's doesn't work against monsters). Once you take the averages (because no sane person is going to run around with only 20% HP all the time), you only get 7% lifesteal out of Warlords, which halves all the healing above, and thus means it has nearly no effect for Anivia.

Now, by comparison, if you instead get Thunderlords, a typical build will give you (at level 18) an extra 250 damage every 15 seconds, or Deathfire Touch will get you an extra 95 DPS on your ult, both of which will kill the enemy faster, and by extension, reduce the amount of damage you take (the faster you kill a target, the less damage they can deal) and therefore reduces the need for you to heal proportionately.

Perma CC1 votes

Anivia=Mage=AP DAMAGE

Spell Vamp is for Mages (There is no longer any spellvamp from item's anymore... but you can still get 8% from runes and masteries) This should show him an example of why a Mage shouldn't build Lifesteal.

Lifesteal is for ADC's

Overall here... he shouldn't be standing and auto attacking on Anivia... a champion that needs to cast spells... her auto attack speed is so slow that she is only going to be getting back about 2 or so hp per auto attack. Where as with Thunderlords... she gets a whole 180+10% of ap burst every 3 spells with like a 10 second cooldown. Explain to him that in 10 seconds of autoing he can get about 10 hp back... in a game where most champions get about 2k to 3k hp by level 18. 10 hp isn't going to make a difference. If he REALLY REALLY wants to heal back hp... Spell Vamp is much more realistic then Lifesteal... Warlords is designed for ADC's not Mages... Mages focus on casting spells to BURST their targets... ADC's focus on building damage so that their auto attacks attack faster and deal more damage per second... once they get a bit of crit and lifesteal they will heal back a shit tone of life... In terms of efficency Anivia shouldn't be built adc... their are real adc's that are designed for the job and would do so much more with the lifesteal from warlords. If he wants to use it so bad tell him to play an adc.

MeryXmas1 votes

Sent that to him, thanks.

Perma CC5 votes

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Sent that to him, thanks.

Also explain to him that fights last about 5-10 seconds... and most champons have spells that deal about 250 damage each so 10 hp wont help him survive.

The Real Stormzy1 votes

increased lifesteal and survivability? dude its siick on ainiva

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