Nasus' Q needs a nerf.

CptRageBeard··9 votes·7,768 views

I literally cannot stand playing against Nasus because no matter how much I try to harass him in lane, he still always manages to get his Q stack beyond stupidly high. When you, as a champion, are able to 1-shot other champions with a single ability and you've only built one damage item, then it's really time to nerf the scaling on that ability's damage meter. I'm getting sick of losing games simply because there's a Nasus on the enemy team.

A few ideas I have on nerfing his OP-ness:

  1. Scale the damage down - I've literally been hit for 2k by a Nasus that I kept harassing in top, and yet his Q still got a ton of stacks.
  2. Make it so his stack ratio is 1:1 for each minion kill and 2:1 on large minion kills - Nasus is a TANK. He shouldn't be doing SO MUCH DAMAGE IN ONE HIT.
  3. Take his ability to use his Q on structures away - Literally 2-3 hits structures. There is no other champion in the game with that capability. It's so broken. All he has to do is kill me once, and BAM turret's gone.
  4. FOR GODS' SAKES, STOP LETTING IT HEAL HIM!

Any combination of these nerfs would work, but his Q needs to be rolled back. It's way too powerful and easily exploited in low-skill level games.

30 Comments

Kivolan5 votes

It really is true, no matter how much you try to harass him he'll still get his stacks up to an ungodly level by the 30 minute mark or so.

Removing the heal from it probably would be the best bet, as it makes people think quite a bit more about going in for a q / getting harassed rather than "meh, I'm just gonna heal for whatever they poke me with anyway".

Jamaree3 votes

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It really is true, no matter how much you try to harass him he'll still get his stacks up to an ungodly level by the 30 minute mark or so.

Removing the heal from it probably would be the best bet, as it makes people think quite a bit more about going in for a q / getting harassed rather than "meh, I'm just gonna heal for whatever they poke me with anyway".

It would almost make him unviable.

Kuroi863 votes

No almost to it. Nerf his Q and you'd have to buff every other aspect of his kit kit just to keep him viable.

pluppershnoop1 votes

Maybe they shouldn't nerf him in a way that would make his Q weak, but make it so he has to do more to make it as OP as it gets. I'm sick of having to lose because of an unstoppable Nasus even after getting 3 kills on a him in lane phase, and zoning him from minions. He's 1 hitting our ADC's by late-mid game even after making shit tons of mistakes in lane, but still managing to get some CS.

3TWarrior1 votes

is this AD nasus? because even at 200 stacks that's only 700 damage + max crit build = 2300 damage on that auto, but if he did build that way, he wouldn't have the tank stats he needs to gun it out with ranged carries

he does hit for a lot, but not a 1-shot

CptRageBeard2 votes

If nothing else, could someone PLEASE teach me how to counter him in lane? I'm really getting tired of losing to Nasus players because it feels like I can't do anything against them.

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1723841457/35286927?tab=overview

You're playing a top lane Vayne . I don't even know what tips am I suppose to give you when you have the obvious advantages in terms of range.....

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1723806529/35286927?tab=overview

Just noticed another Nasus QQ match. Wow, some bad luck there :p

Anyway, as Gangplank, you should be having the upper advantage against a Nasus. During early game, simply cs as usual with Q & aa, and when Nasus comes in to Q, go into him & aa. GP's poison passive seriously hurts early game, and forces Nasus to dropback and delay his Q stackings. After level 3, save your oranges after Nasus uses Wither on you. With Wither gone, Nasus's 1v1 potential drops dramatically. I recommend you get an early item 1053 before finishing item 3087 to improve your own lane sustain. Don't depend too much on your oranges to sustain.

CptRageBeard1 votes

I honestly suck with Vayne. Even with her poke, his Q still got farmed. It seems like no matter which champion I play, the amount of hrass I apply just isn't enough. and I'm talking about even when I get him half health.

3TWarrior1 votes

well, are his minions doing a large portion of his damage? if you attack him while he's safe among minions, they'll all target you for a large amount of damage to an ADC

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Scale the damage down - I've literally been hit for 2k by a Nasus that I kept harassing in top, and yet his Q still got a ton of stacks.

This could be ideal for those Nasus mains who are expert in cs-ing their Q stacks, but not too much, as excessive power reduction will only improve afk-farm.

Make it so his stack ratio is 1:1 for each minion kill and 2:1 on large minion kills - Nasus is a TANK. He shouldn't be doing SO MUCH DAMAGE IN ONE HIT.

His stack collecting is fine where it is, and Nasus is a bruiser tank, not pure tank, similar to Darius Garen DrMundo . They are mostly meant to build tanky to defend for themselves, not for their teammates.

Take his ability to use his Q on structures away - Literally 2-3 hits structures. There is no other champion in the game with that capability. It's so broken. All he has to do is kill me once, and BAM turret's gone.

Either take its ability away to proc on turrets, or make it deal 50% damage to structures. I agree having a highly stacked Nasus to deal that much damage to turrets is simply detrimental. Would be worse when he builds item 3512

FOR GODS' SAKES, STOP LETTING IT HEAL HIM!

He is pretty open to multiple pokes, as his E doesn't do too much damage and cost a shit load of mana including his W, and this could hinder his process in Q-stacking. His passive lifesteal is the one thing that keeps Nasus frrom sustain well in lane & stacks efficiently.

CptRageBeard1 votes

The difference between him and other bruiser tanks is that the damage scaling is much lower for Darius, Garen, and Mundo. I have NEVER been able to 1-shot anyone because I got fed with those champions.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Idk, whenever I win lane with darius, I can one-combo the enemy adc with my only damage item being a hydra, Combo being usually Flash-E-Q-AA-W-Hydra-AA-Ult. Way too much damage for them, and I can do that at any point in the game until they get a GA.

2sly2try2 votes

Thats COMBO. Nasass does what you do with one Q. Hes to strong when he gets even a few (being around 250-300) stacks. Yeah you burned all of your abilites and flash to kil the adc. But wait, here comes Nasus with only a sheen and pure tank items...BOOM 1 Q and dead.

DorkunedAuras2 votes

except nasus will never, ever reach a semi competent ADC to Q them, and they won't 1 shot with 1 Q unless they have over 1000 stacks

The darius point I made was saying was that I could destroy them period, without they being able to stop me like they can nasus.

pluppershnoop1 votes

Yes, but nasus can do similar, if not more between mid to late game even when he loses lane hard but still manages to get some stacks.

Spartan Sol2 votes

nasus isnt that bad. you can harass him and remove all elements of his farm but you can't really leave your lane to assist the rest of the team in ganks/obj unless nasus does also. my go to counter vs him is darius. just hit lvl 3 and walk into him and AA once he withers you use W then E. by the time the animations are finished wither is almost over with. At lvl 6 it becomes brain dead easy to just kill nasus because he cant run from you when using your combo's correctly. if he fights he dies to an instant 5 stack and ult. you also out heal him and W + E keep him from disengaging you. the last nasus i played against with darius went 2-7 in lane and had 190ish stacks at 27 mins. i was 9-4 and took both his towers by 15 mins. if the jungler ever ganked after lvl 6 id always kill one of them if not both jungler was hecarim

TrentBatNA1 votes

Play a lane bully, and try to kill him early, and snowball off the lead. :) Simple advice, but I hope it helps!

Astral Zephyroro1 votes

If you play draft I am a fan of taking Xin Zhao against him. Force the level 2 advantage and immediately force the engage. Keep him low and when possible keep lane froze at creek. everytime he comes up to get a stack pop the Q and make sure he hurts when he tries to get that Q farm going. Ive had a lot lot of luck with Pantheon also. Keep chucking spears and keep him at around half health. Once you have all your abilities up just walk into him and make the fight happen. Save the w for after he pops your passive so that you can block his Q.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

You need to freeze the lane near your tower or middle of the lane. If you freeze it by his tower, he'll just farm the minions with Q easily. Freezing it by your tower means you can poke at him while farming, and the jungler can easily gank him.

SleepyLionCub1 votes

Stop pushing ur lane like the bronze player you are.

Sirin Gioro1 votes

Do you know that you can actually counter Nasus in banning phase assuming that you're playing draft?

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

It really depends on what champion you take against him and how you play the lane.

  • When you play against Nasus, I would highly recommend getting several health potions on your initial buy (Cloth5, LongSword3, Flask3, Doran's Ring, Doran's Shield) since you need to be able to heal off the damage dealt by Nasus's minions when you try to trade with him.

  • In addition, one common mistake I saw my opponents make was that they would push the wave unnecessarily trying to harass the Nasus (Darius would Q me and the wave, Riven would use Q to try and trade, etc). This allows Nasus to wait under tower for the CS to come to him without exposing himself to much danger. You have to get a bit of a lead, manipulate the minion wave to begin pushing to your tower, and then freeze it and zone Nasus from gold and experience. Just make sure you ward when you do this, since Nasus is likely to call for a gank.

  • A lot of people try taking a champion commonly known to counter Nasus (such as Teemo or Darius) without knowing how to play the champion or the matchup. If they don't know how to play the lane or know their champion's strengths and weaknesses, they make mistakes and Nasus can win.

  • Be very careful about picking a squishy champion or one who depends on autoattacks against Nasus. If you are too squishy or lack a good escape, after a certain point Nasus will just wither you and kill you. Alternatively, he may just wither you for a gank.

  • WhileNasus has pretty good base damage, he can't really buy armor penetration without leaving himself extremely squishy. I'd recommend getting Ninja Tabi, a Chain Vest, or Warden's Mail at some point after your first damage item to severely reduce his damage to you.

I would recommend trying some of the following champions: Trundle Swain Akali Darius Gnar DrMundo JarvanIV Heimerdinger Olaf Azir

They can severely hurt him early game, they can bully him off of farm, and they can fight him reasonably well at most stages of the game.

3TWarrior1 votes

what about jax? he outsustains nasus, has crowd control, and gains a ton of burst damage

but a problem with teemo/quinn/etc, blinds only stop the regular damage of his Q, not the added damage for some reason, even though it is an "on hit" effect

I think the same thing happens with jax's E and fiora's dodge

NemeBro1 votes

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what about jax? he outsustains nasus, has crowd control, and gains a ton of burst damage

but a problem with teemo/quinn/etc, blinds only stop the regular damage of his Q, not the added damage for some reason, even though it is an "on hit" effect

I think the same thing happens with jax's E and fiora's dodge

How does Jax out-sustain Nasus? Nasus has lifesteal in his kit. Jax doesn't. Jax doesn't really push the wave, but he also isn't strong enough early on to effectively deny Nasus, and is attack speed reliant. Wither reks him. Nasus can duel Jax late game as well, IMO.

When talking purely in terms of champions, I find that I've had the most success against Nasus as Darius. Darius pushes the wave, but his early damage is obscene and makes Nasus a sad panda.

Meiden1 votes

In my opinion nasus is too strong. His q do tons of dmgs in late game. But don't forget his slow... At rank 5 the slow has a very low cd and no one can escape from him.... REWORK!

ErebusRecarnated1 votes

Nah screw the early laning phase, you can choose Vayne and kill him early on and get fed but even then, by thirty minutes in you have a Nasus that's one shooting you with 300+ stacks. I think that his q should as said earlier either nerf his ratio or max the amount of stacks at 150 or 200 other wise they can just get Armor penetration and still one shot a support. And if anyone says otherwise then play a adc and have a nasus flash e you, there's no choice of you dying then. And also anyone who likes nasus or mains him has no say in this because your just gonna want him to stay the same.

Spartan Sol1 votes

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Nah screw the early laning phase, you can choose Vayne and kill him early on and get fed but even then, by thirty minutes in you have a Nasus that's one shooting you with 300+ stacks. I think that his q should as said earlier either nerf his ratio or max the amount of stacks at 150 or 200 other wise they can just get Armor penetration and still one shot a support. And if anyone says otherwise then play a adc and have a nasus flash e you, there's no choice of you dying then. And also anyone who likes nasus or mains him has no say in this because your just gonna want him to stay the same.

capping his stacks would literally dumpster him.. he is the AD melee equivalent of veigar.. if you let nasus get more then 100 stacks on his Q a minute then you deserve to lose plain and simple. build BC early and his tanky stats mean nothing and you will outdamage him up until he hits 350-400+ stacks which should never happen unless its a crazy long game and even then you should have shat on him so hard he has no items and melts to a paper cut. nasus is perfectly fine. he has super hard counters and he has matchups hes strong in that you would need jungler assistance to shut him down.

Cantea1 votes

Olaf is his hardest counter. The key to beating Nasus is letting him push the lane early. I don't even minion farm until hes pushed. He's really weak early game and a smart nasus will build tank Items. Olaf beats him on every front. The true damage poke isn't defendable and you will literally push him out of lane. Try to hold the lane right at your tower. Like I said, hes super weak early.

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