@Riot, Teemo is still struggling. He needs a damage buff, not a range buff.

Drulez·Mar 7, 2016·6 votes·2,786 views

Teemo buffs lately have been all about his range. Teemo needs a DAMAGE buff, you knocked down shrooms so far, that they aren't even good to build around anymore. They get disabled by oracle, they don't even last that long(seriously 10 min to 5 minutes nerf is too hard.), and they won't produce enough damage( ap ratio nerf was necessary, but too much). You guys said that he was struggling in season 5, and he's STILL struggling now. He doesn't melt tanks at all, he doesn't even pose a threat towards juggernauts, ESPECIALLY for late game. Please do something @Riot, Teemo shouldn't have to suffer for another season...

22 Comments

Ruin LanceMar 7, 20163 votes

he's not meant to be viable

AscendedxBladeMar 7, 20163 votes

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he's not meant to be viable

who says he is not other champs can be viable if you dont like him go play dota

YfrappefortMar 8, 20163 votes

It's hopeless. Any Teemo thread get instantly downvoted/ignored. I should know, made a few recently asking Riot if Teemo was gonna get more follow-up since he is still struggling this season more then ever before.

I think you can see there is a problem when THE anti AA champion is not being even considered in triple ADC meta (kinda like if Malphite and Rammus weren't picked at all).

Everyone just move so fast now his W seems obsolete (not that it was ever a great ability, but now the active is so underwhelming). Also, item 3364 hurt him so much.

His kit is just so old and outdated. He need a small scale rework.

101100111000Mar 8, 20163 votes

Because he doesn't need straight damage buffs to be viable. He has different issues in his kit that make people not want to play against him.

He's only really mobile so long as he doesn't get caught; or, put even more negatively, he's usually fucked if he's caught. He took significant cuts to the largest portion of his power budget, his traps, but the rest can't be buffed because he's "perfectly viable" in lane. He has fairly decent ratios for an ap marksman, but he functionally takes a caster build.

For some reason, his poison (E) is an ability and not a secondary passive.

Whenever Teemo is good, he's oppressive because he's supposed to be the epitome of the anti-melee anti-aa lane bully. At the same time, it destroys the viable of a large portion of champions in general because Teemo's windows to counterplay his anti-tools aren't large, especially post-6. This is why so many melee champions can shit on Teemo; he's intentionally weak so that top lane melees don't have to suffer his bullshit.

Don't get me wrong, I love the little shit, but precisely because he's a little shit.

SlyTactician Mar 9, 20161 votes

Very much this.

It's obvious to see that Riot is very cautious in buffing Teemo as over buffing him would just create the problems of the past where Teemo becomes an anti-fun bully in lane. It's a shame considering the amount of potential Teemo can bring with his scout like personality too. Can Teemo still bully lanes? Yes, he's still a pain to lane against early on - but simply slapping a spirit visage or other MR items by the mid game literally makes Teemo's mid to late game terrible at this point of time.

The best we can hope for is for a Teemo rework that will actually make him more viable and fair to lane against as well. His kit should be built more on mobility really along with a more accurate hit and run kit with more safety to fit his marksman/assassin role.

His shroom duration nerfs could be considered fair - but at the same time, Teemo lost the main aspect about him that made him stand out - his map control. At this point of time, he can help more in teamfights by tossing shrooms - but really his map control is lost as well as the continuous nerfs to his shrooms over League's history.

His passive of stealth is interesting...but at this point of time, so many new champions have abilities that can easily attack him through stealth - and his lack of mobility really hurts since he's screwed over if he was to be ganked. Let's not forget the sweeper lens pretty much clears up his shrooms and the high mana costs he has just to even plant a single shroom.

I really would like to play Teemo more as I adore his champion design and personality - but he really brings little to the to the table now that most of his skills have been nerfed. He just needs a new niche since his shrooms really have taken a beating as of late.

GreatWhiteNorthJan 26, 20171 votes

Teemo needs an escape. With his e nerfed to a passive, his damage can come back and he will be playable.

DrulezMar 7, 20162 votes

I would be okay with it if they knocked it down to 7 minutes, but 5 minutes, really? Teemo is used for map control, and they knocked down the duration without equalizing damage...

Cenobite AzazielMar 8, 20162 votes

Top damage dealt in top lane role: Damage Dealt 28027 2 / 57 Karthus top is the only one (The guy that deals insane AOE damage and when ult hits every one in the map) that deals more damage than teemo. Teemo damage is fine.

ßurstMar 7, 20161 votes

His winrate is over a 49% thats a lot better than a lot of other tops atm. Buffs not needed as Teemo does the most or close to the most damage by the end of the game.

DrulezMar 7, 20162 votes

Yeah because nobody plays teemo. They know that he sucks this season and other top laners would be more viable.

DeadDevilTeemoJun 20, 20171 votes

Im Playing teemo Alot I love Playing teemo. Teemo's Dmg. is fine .. no rework On that. its alll that Free Vision On his Shrooms. that Epic counter Him.. it Makes honestly His Ulti useless. and His Shrooms can Also only Be his Only Escape From people coming out of Jungle or something like that, even 3v3 there is Free Vision again Anti Counter. so you could remove his R .. then he only Have Q W E Left-- But His Dmg is Low. against A Top laner What ever it is. if they buy Mr. Spirit Then all dmg he does Will be useless until he Have Atleast 3 Full builded Items. .. but there is So many Teemo haters for No Reason.. I will agree teemo's dmg isnt Needed to Be Buffed. but His Shrooms ( Vision Problems. ) should be... and when its that easy to Counter its free gold for the enemy -.-! item 3070

MeserionMar 7, 20161 votes

he needs a rework, his shrooms are so toxic (pun intended). the real issue is his blind, without out he'd die immediately but with it hes oppressive if you use autos. I like the idea of him being a hit and run burst damage dealer, but his shrooms hinder in so many ways. They would better suited as a basic ability, as it stands he either does no damage, or he melts faces.

GreatWhiteNorthJan 26, 20171 votes

His shrooms put an emphasis on map awareness for the enemy team.

mogonkMar 7, 20161 votes

how about no

DrulezMar 7, 20161 votes

Teemo can get reworked, but for what reason? His kit just needs mobility and more damage. I mean, they can change his E into a passive/skill hybrid like darius' W, but other than that, I see no room as to how to keep him as the most hated/loved champion and symbol of league by changing his kit.