Lifesteal nerfs and OP thornmail damage on full built tank make it impossible for adc to survive

Arpi·Jul 6, 2015·1 votes·891 views

Riot has nerfed LS in this past season with some changes to defensive items it's almost impossible to kill a tank as an adc even with good kiting and ability to dodge, sorry for posting it late but I am sick of tanks and with the way I can't touch them. I literally can't auto the tank at all, you just have to ignore for your own sake. and the problem is that their tank is better than yours but you can carry since you are better than their adc; however because of their tanks itemization you literally can't win....

What do you think guys?

13 Comments

Drunk RummateJul 6, 20154 votes

What? Lifesteal nerfs?

So 20% lifesteal on the new Bloodthirster is a nerf?

They also extended the lifesteal on BotRK to the passive damage, another lifesteal buff.

If lifesteal feels weak to you right now then you're probably getting ignited or hit by a morellonomicon very frequently.

ArpiJul 6, 20151 votes

Well, to be honest I quit LOL months ago and main reason was this issue. Even the teams are equal in most cases descent tanks carry out the game.... I remember with my full build I can't AA cause I am dying if I do so. isn't that adcs should be counter to tanks?

Sir YamazukiJul 6, 20151 votes

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Well, to be honest I quit LOL months ago and main reason was this issue. Even the teams are equal in most cases descent tanks carry out the game.... I remember with my full build I can't AA cause I am dying if I do so. isn't that adcs should be counter to tanks?

If you're dying to thornmail, then stop building 5 infinity edges.

AhurathJul 6, 20152 votes

I think the tank meta is fine atm. I have no problem killing tanks without killing myself so I don't really understand your problem.

7ha7guy777Jul 6, 20152 votes

item 3153 item 3035 ( item 3065 and/or item 3155 ) Obviously buying 3 items to counter a 2200 gold item isn't ideal. The shield on bloodthirster helps mitigate some of the damage if you have armor pen. A shield from your support is also incredibly useful.

Drunk RummateJul 6, 20152 votes

One last thing I would like to add - magic resist actually reduces the damage of thornmail and armor pen actually increases the amount that you lifesteal when you auto attack.

So building a bloodthirster, last whisper, and one MR item together should completely negate almost all the damage you're taking from thornmail. There are tons of effective MR items for ADCs and it doesn't hurt to grab a null magic mantle at almost any point in the game if the enemy team has several sources of magic damage.

Your issues with thornmail are most likely in the midgame when you have access to last whisper but not bloodthirster, or vice versa. The two of those items together almost completely eliminate the problems that you will have with tanks, and once you get some magic resist it goes away entirely.

Draven Wun TrickJul 6, 20151 votes

i main draven. draven has the WORST time with full tanks and thornmail. I think something needs to be done, because literally all a tank has to do is build thornmail in their arsenal and be fully immune to draven (assuming draven isn't snowballing out of control)

AnomanderJul 6, 20151 votes

item 3035 It is kinda really important

Also I checked your match history most of your games as a adc you don't have blood thirster and only a BORK of course you don't get much lifesteal from ONLY 1 ITEM

ArpiJul 6, 20151 votes

maan, I remember with this build item 3072 item 3153 item 3046 item 3035 item 3031 item 3006 I couldn't auto the full build tank because it was damagin me more than LS healing. I was the fed one in our team vs their tank. P.S in 1v1 case

Variks the LoyalJul 6, 20151 votes

Laaaaast Whisperrr

And, if you're one of the ADCs who likes it, Youmuu's.

ArpiJul 6, 20151 votes

it doesn't help, I wish it did

BeersteinJul 6, 20151 votes

TBH I've seen a few builds ADCs legit struggle with (even with LW), the solution IMO is just bring Madreds Bloodrazor back, what you're talking about isn't what I'd consider a massive issue but Madreds would address it.