Kalista's Soul-Marked supercedes FotM's/Targon's/Relic Shield's Spoils of War

AFightingChance·Dec 5, 2014·19 votes·1,363 views

This seems like it's probably an unintended feature and it's really annoying. If I'm laning while using Relic Shield (or any of it's upgrades), I'm unable to proc Spoils of War to get that sweet, sweet gold if Kalista attacked that unit. With the way her Soul-Marked passive works, its magic damage is applied before the Spoils of War execute. Since Kalista does the damage first, it means we can't share gold if she attacks minions I want to execute.

The few times that I've played with a Leona/Kalista lane, it synergizes really well, except for the difficulty generating gold as a support. Is this on Riot's radar? Is it going to be addressed in a patch anytime?

P.S. Cheers on the Kalista release, Riot: she's a really fun and interesting champ to play with.

9 Comments

L7xLoTekDec 5, 20142 votes

Agreed, I outright refuse to use a Relic Shield based support with Kalista.

ShosukoDec 5, 20142 votes

I hope they do fix this. Relic Shield is a fun gold gen item.

BallisticMouseDec 5, 20142 votes

I agree this is an issue and should be fixed but...

Can we also talk about how many ADCs seem to not let/want supports to use their Spoils of War? I've had so many adcs try to out-last hit me when I obviously have 2+ spoils.

AkeitoDec 5, 20141 votes

I agree this is an issue and should be fixed but...

Can we also talk about how many ADCs seem to not let/want supports to use their Spoils of War? I've had so many adcs try to out-last hit me when I obviously have 2+ spoils.

You can't really blame the adc, but a good adc should be able to realize this and left any cannon over at least, you have an execute threshold, last hit it.

Perhaps the adc want you to save that spoil of war to heal off both of you after a skirmish ? Otherwise, it's just instinct to last hit contanstly like Draven catching Axe and spamming W

AFightingChanceDec 5, 20141 votes

Yeah, that happens to me all the time, too. And don't even get me started on when I roam to mid and they insta-cast two or three spells to clear an entire wave, just as my AA is winding up for the cannon minion. I shed a single tear in those moments.

It seems 50% of all ADCs now about Spoils of War, but if you go to another lane, it drops to 0%.

Emcee MikeyDec 5, 20141 votes

I hate kalista. She killed me this one time by trying to "drain" me and I froze in place.

manbearswineDec 5, 20141 votes

Well it's actually more a strength than a weakness,assuming that she will let you use targons on occasion(which for some reason nobody ever does,which is completely beyond me as to why),techincally if kalista has a brain(which once again,they NEVER FUCKING DO) she can start with a point with w and the interaction can be used(abused?) to shove the lane incredibly hard very early,which support like leona/blitz like alot,as it negates their biggest weakness.

but yeah when playing support this item overall(worse with kalista) drives me insane,you'd think people would get used to it by now,you'd be wrong.

AFightingChanceDec 6, 20141 votes

I agree: it's a great way to rush level 2, but it would be even stronger if the code logic on execute and Soul-Marked damage were revised. Here's my proposal in pseudo-code.

if (minion.is_soul_marked) { if ( (minion.HP - SoulMarked.PassiveDamage) < SpoilsOfWar.ExecuteThreshold ) { SpoilsOfWar.Execute(minion); } // this allows the support to get gold, yay!! else { SoulMarked.ApplyPassiveDamage(minion); } }

manbearswineDec 6, 20141 votes

I agree: it's a great way to rush level 2, but it would be even stronger if the code logic on execute and Soul-Marked damage were revised. Here's my proposal in pseudo-code.

if (minion.is_soul_marked) { if ( (minion.HP - SoulMarked.PassiveDamage) < SpoilsOfWar.ExecuteThreshold ) { SpoilsOfWar.Execute(minion); } // this allows the support to get gold, yay!! else { SoulMarked.ApplyPassiveDamage(minion); } }

Yes I understood your suggenstion the first time,but it will not by any means make it stronger,your proposal makes the early push a lot weaker,because as the interaction currently works you can "execute" the entire wave,with this change you can only execute the regular 2 minions.