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Honor Level 2 Requirement for Ranked Games

Android 17··2 votes·2,037 views

New to the boards. Here to make an impact with the ideas I have in mind for a better game, community and overall experience for people in League of Legends. For my first act..

As a passionate player on the Rift, I truly believe that requiring a minimum honor level to compete on the ladder will significantly improve this game's climate. Ranked games in general should be held at a higher standard than normals/rotating game modes, especially because a significant amount of the game's culture is depicted around rank itself.

When you make the decision to log on, and try to compete among others to climb through the ranks, the last thing anyone should have to worry about is if their teammates are trolls, inters, ragers, etc etc. I don't believe this will permanently fix negative experiences, but it will dramatically reduce the frequency of these kinds of encounters. Less dishonorable people to worry about, more focus on game.

The best comparison I have is a driver's license. It's pretty standard, and the purpose of it is to make sure that you're a safe driver for EVERYONE ELSE on the road, not yourself. Honor should be like a driver's license for ranked essentially. When you queue up, and you hit champ select, you already know everyone there is at least honorable to an extent because they couldn't be there unless they were.

I think that's a pretty good feeling to have nowadays, being able to focus more on games than players.

Even with a driver's license, accidents happen, and road rage still exists. It's not to say this is a cover all fix that will cure the community of it's issues, but if there's a way to reduce them with something that already exists in the system, such as honor, I say why not. Ranked rewards and other things are already restricted below honor 2. I think by furthering that restriction to ranked queues, where passionate people like myself and others desire a quality game, would be a giant leap in the right direction.

What do you think friends?

30 Comments

BDE Moonpíe3 votes

Dude this is the best thing I have seen on the boards today.

This man is the Riot games Genius

MrHeadset2 votes

To be honest I have almost honor 5 but that's solely because I don't go beyond passive-aggressive. I know guys with like Honor 3 and they're still toxic as hell. People would probably act nice until they can play ranked just to go back to the usual.

If honor level actually meant this person was a nice/good guy, I'd be all over for it.

Android 171 votes

For sure. I get that point. I feel as if it would give honor the significance that you're mentioning. Because right now, it just decides whether I get a victorious skin or not haha, and which ward skin I get. That's it.

With more of a focus on the significance, I think that people would be less inclined to be toxic/afk/etc etc.

That honor level 3 person you mentioned, is toxic as hell because there are no repercussions even if he does receive a chat ban.

But if you tell someone, they cant queue ranked, I think theres possibility for change.

haaaaaaalp2 votes

Why? level 0 and 1 honor usually has nothing to do with poor gameplay. A lot of the time it is for minor stuff like flaming. While players do honor for good play, riot often bans for much less important things and those effect honor levels.

IcyPepper1 votes

This topic has nothing to do with poor gameplay though.

You don't drop to level 0 for being an unskilled player.

Android 171 votes

I guess it might not be the right place specifically in the boards. New here as mentioned. If theres a better place, lemme know and i'll shift it over. Thanks!

Android 171 votes

But I didnt mention gameplay in post. Just putting that out there.

IcyPepper1 votes

I was responding to haaaaaaalp. Are you looking at posts in chronological view?

Android 171 votes

I wasnt xD

I dont come here at all.

Android 172 votes

Gameplay isnt in question. Game experience is.

haaaaaaalp1 votes

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Gameplay isnt in question. Game experience is.

You already have level 30 for game experience. If all you are concerned for is game experience, than honor 2 is useless.

Android 172 votes

Because Diamond Ranked Games and above, and Leveling up to 30 are the same right? Lol

haaaaaaalp1 votes

By the time people get to diamond rank games, no one even looks at the level.

MasterDClone1 votes

When you make the decision to log on, and try to compete among others to climb through the ranks, the last thing anyone should have to worry about is if their teammates are trolls, inters, ragers, etc etc. I don't believe this will permanently fix negative experiences, but it will dramatically reduce the frequency of these kinds of encounters. Less dishonorable people to worry about, more focus on game.

For 1 thing trolls and inters usually don't lose honor, its only people who are toxic in game, and even at that only people who are toxic by saying the systems trigger words. The game will still have all the same problems in ranked but just shoot off a good portion of the playerbase.

The best comparison I have is a driver's license. It's pretty standard, and the purpose of it is to make sure that you're a safe driver for EVERYONE ELSE on the road, not yourself. Honor should be like a driver's license for ranked essentially. When you queue up, and you hit champ select, you already know everyone there is at least honorable to an extent because they couldn't be there unless they were.

The problem i have with this is that this is a video game and can not hurt anyone irl as oppose to a bad driver.

I think that's a pretty good feeling to have nowadays, being able to focus more on games than players.

Uhhh, the game is based around the players, and i rarely ever play the game i just try to tilt the players and, it's a lot easier if there are more toxic players.

Even with a driver's license, accidents happen, and road rage still exists. It's not to say this is a cover all fix that will cure the community of it's issues, but if there's a way to reduce them with something that already exists in the system, such as honor, I say why not. Ranked rewards and other things are already restricted below honor 2. I think by furthering that restriction to ranked queues, where passionate people like myself and others desire a quality game, would be a giant leap in the right direction.

Then how do you propose players that lost said honor get back if the queue as to which the game revolves around is locked out, the only way i got out of honor 0 was through grinding the ranked ladder. On a final note i would want to add that most toxic players in the game are above honor 2 because those below it are too focused on getting their honor back to be toxic while those above are careless enough to lose it. Implementing this might be the fastest way humanly possible to killing the game off, because as soon as someone gets a 10 game chat ban they would have to make a new account or quit because they cant play ranked.

Please don't bring up that they can still play norms because that is of no relevance to the discussion about ranked because if they are a normals player having a ranked lockout makes no difference to anything but to a ranked player it means everything

Android 171 votes

For 1 thing trolls and inters usually don't lose honor, its only people who are toxic in game, and even at that only people who are toxic by saying the systems trigger words. The game will still have all the same problems in ranked but just shoot off a good portion of the playerbase.

I think the problem is the player base who are toxic in it's various forms. I'll be more content with a more QUALITY player base.

The problem i have with this is that this is a video game and can not hurt anyone irl as oppose to a bad driver.

This hurts something people care about. Their game. Who cares about what is solely based on the person. And it was a metaphorical comparison. Not direct. Be reasonable.

Uhhh, the game is based around the players, and i rarely ever play the game i just try to tilt the players and, it's a lot easier if there are more toxic players.

uh. wut.

Then how do you propose players that lost said honor get back if the queue as to which the game revolves around is locked out, the only way i got out of honor 0 was through grinding the ranked ladder.

You go to norms. You get your honor back by playing honorably. Pretty standard stuff friend.

On a final note i would want to add that most toxic players in the game are above honor 2 because those below it are too focused on getting their honor back to be toxic while those above are careless enough to lose it. Implementing this might be the fastest way humanly possible to killing the game off, because as soon as someone gets a 10 game chat ban they would have to make a new account or quit because they cant play ranked.

If you have statistics or analytics to back you, that would be great to post! And if they get a chat ban, and cant play ranked, all the better for the people who play honorably. More games without toxic people.

Please don't bring up that they can still play norms because that is of no relevance to the discussion about ranked because if they are a normals player having a ranked lockout makes no difference to anything but to a ranked player it means everything

Norms are part of the game. If you dont want to go to "jail," dont commit the crime. Want to not get banned? Dont be toxic. Again, pretty straight forward.

MasterDClone1 votes

the punishment for the crime is the ban, what you're asking for is to add on to the punishment once the crime has been commited, can you imagine doing that irl, someone commits theft gets punished and once their sentence has been made and they are put away someone comes along and gives them another punishment just for being in jail.

Android 171 votes

Good thing this is a game where people come to have fun right?

MasterDClone1 votes

fun for all, what fun is it for some one recovering from the ban to comeback and be told that the ban was just a bait because now there not allowed to play anyway, also if this is such a problem in ranked just mute

SugeMinPikk1 votes

Just mute people who huwt your feewings

Android 171 votes

Just keep toxic people off a queue that has some relevance.

SugeMinPikk1 votes

lol

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Remember when they used to rank restrict people? It didn't change anything except for making normals a worse experience.

Android 171 votes

I remember when you used to be able to report "unskilled" players.

The difference between back then and now, is honor.

Different time and game.

And normals can be pretty....interesting already.

Eleshakai1 votes

All this would do is turn unranked play into a complete cesspool, punishing people who aren't toxic but aren't interested in ranked play.

Android 171 votes

At least ranked wouldnt be a cesspool and would at least contain people who want to play a more 'honorable' game of league.

Eleshakai1 votes

What I want you to explain to me is why you feel people whose only 'crime' is 'not liking ranked play' deserve to be punished?

That's the big 'hole' in your plan here. You're improving the experience for one group of people at the expense of another group that didn't do anything wrong.

Android 171 votes

Ranked matters. Lets have some common ground here. People care about ranked.

Ranked has such a huge impact on the culture of league. Theres already toxic people in norms, right now, yesterday, tomorrow. They exist and they are there. If Riot is able to shift even 10% of the toxic players off of ranked into only norms, thats so good for a queue that people care about, that determines some people's lives in higher elo, etc etc.

RankedLivesMatter

Eleshakai1 votes

All players matter. Not just ranked. Players who play normal care about normal. Players who play ranked care about ranked. Players who play normals don't care about ranked. People who play ranked don't care about normals.

But none of them deserve toxicity more than anyone else.

Sting3R1 votes

That is a really good point!

Sting3R1 votes

What you wrote above sounds good on paper but hard to implement. At the moment, there are so many flaws in riots player punishment system. Many of us take rank seriously, we spend hours and hours trying to climb the ladder. Sadly, It only takes one game ( say you're in promo's )were you queue up with a troll player ( for so many reason, maybe tilted from past games who knows...) and he/she deliberately ints, feeds and lose you the game. A passionate player who would start of nicely telling the player to stop might eventually lose their temper and type something bad out of anger/frustration. It only takes few line of bad words to put a once level 5 honored player into a 10 game chat restriction aka honor level 0. See, the system will only filter what that frustrated player typed, not the troll who ruined the game for his 4 teammates. In summoner rift, if a player wanna fakkk your gaming experience they could easily do it without any consequence, the key is to type NOTHING!

With that in mind, i don't think a player deserves to sit out and grind number of normal games before they can level up in honor for a ranked queue. Its harsh and will have so many players furious.

On the other hand, if riot somehow can mange to review games and punish inters, feeders, trolls etc..i'm all up for what you proposed.

Happy thanksgiving!

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