The Final Nail in the Coffin for the BorK vs Gunblade on Jax debate

Cards and Dice··19 votes·2,676 views

So, although Jax's meta build involved building a Cutlass item and a Triforce, people have been arguing whether Gunblade is complete trash or not on Jax.

Let's say this: it still isn't, but BorK's power just simply became too good after Patch 5.8 for Gunblade to ever replace BorK as the cutlass item. It is now the universal standard non-AP Jax item. Well, at least for this meta.

Why, you may ask? Consider the following:

Gunblade's advantage was that it was suited for a more defensive approach to Jax. It also gave more upfront burst to any fool who tries to duel him. It also had superior sustain compared to BorK, and a more spammable active.

Well, with the patch coming out, BLADE OF THE RUINED KING WILL OUTSUSTAIN GUNBLADE. Lifesteal now applies to the passive procs, which means the life stolen this way is enough to match or even exceed the spellvamp provided by Gunblade, ESPECIALLY WITH CINDERHULK GOING AROUND. Not only that, Gunblade's Lifesteal was nerfed as well, with an AD nerf tacked on, all in favor of Akali.

Now that the meta favors HEALTH tanks, there's no way Gunblade stands a chance until ADCs or assassins start coming back. You can't simply upfront burst someone down anymore, other tanks will outdamage you while being more tanky with your Gunblade even when you ult, and your sustain with Gunblade got nerfed while BorK's sustain got buffed.

With that, the only thing left for Gunblade is its ability to bypass armo- Oh wait they just bought a Spirit Visage or Warmogs. Oh wait, Wit's End exists to deal with Thornmail. Oh wait Last Whisper/new Black Cleaver.

Tl;dr: Unless tanks fade out of the meta or Gunblade gets buffed in a way that DOESN'T buff Akali, Gunblade has lost its purpose on Jax. No more is it a situational item on Jax. Now it is an Akali/Poppy-only item that will inevitably be removed if Riot doesn't change it fast to favor hybrid champs, along with Rageblade.

16 Comments

Partholonian1 votes

How are you planning to afford to not die instantly? Especially if you're still getting item 3078 too, although I suppose giving it up for item 3153 item 3146 might be worth considering.

vIbvdOwbko3 votes

BoRK has always been superior over Gunblade on Jax since BoRK's rework. No matter how big the advantage, BoRK worked better in almost every situation.

The only people that questioned this fact are low elo people that still build Sunfire. Gunblade's added damage to his spells just doesn't match up to the potential of BoRK's attackspeed and on-hit synergy with Jax.

Crett2 votes

Give Jax a Botrk against Sion and that's technically an infinitely scaling heal

LilxPaprika2 votes

I think a buff to rageblade would give a three item jax with gunblade,triforce,rageblade considerable superiority over triforce bortk. At the cost of making him squishier of course but also deadlier especially if left ignored in team fights he could sustain considerably. There's not enough risk taking to reward IMO. If you go heavy sustain and squishier all enemy team needs to do is buy Morello and cc you dead in your tracks. There are counters everywhere. By buff to rageblade it wouldn't have to be much, just removing the cool down on the surge would be a good place to start IMO. Since rageblade has so much synergy with jax a a little goes a long way.

Shrek Luigi2 votes

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A lot of melee-oriented junglers with magic damage somewhere in their kit can make use of this.

I would pick Gunblade over Bork on Jax, as I'm sure a lot of other players would. It really comes down to what else you're building/how much you feel like investing in Spellvamp on Jax.

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Verxint2 votes

Bitches still don't know about mah Rageblade...

Stonington1 votes

What do you mean debate? There was never any debate. Bork gives AS which stacks with Jax passive. It also gives MS along with a slow that allows him to stick the enemy better.

Cards and Dice1 votes

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4220126

The thread above showed a pretty good comparison between the two, showing the pros and cons for both and how one can be better than the other depending on the game because they are close in damage.

Now? It's all about the HP tanks with Cinderhulk, and Gunblade's burst no longer has a place because he can't even get to the squishy in the first place anymore. In fact, Gunblade's SUSTAIN got nerfed just enough so that the BorK's sustain buffs were able to push it over the edge. Let's not even mention that Jax's ultimate active is useful anymore compared to the natural tankiness of tanks.(Ult passive is still good though)

Tank Meta + BorK sustain buffs > Gunblade Burst + Gunblade Defense

We need a resurgence of assassins and a fadeaway of HP tanks for Gunblade to shine again on Jax.

Icy Auron1 votes

The 5s meta is extremely rigid, and I can't say that I've seen a gunblade on Jax on that map since season 2. He's only ever built as a fighter or melee ADC on SR. In 3s or ARAM, where there's more flexibility, I've often seen him go hybrid, with items like gunblade, rageblade (better on him than any champion in the game), and triforce. I don't think that the tank meta has anything to do with it. Most people stopped buying gunblade on him in 5s long ago.

ChoGathsSon1 votes

I would only ever consider running Gunblade against a heavy AP comp with an ADC like Corki or something. Other than that, yeah, Botrk is far superior

Cards and Dice1 votes

Well, that's what Gunblade became since BorK became and stayed nearly OP. Anti-magic with sustain.

Now? BorK's sustain has become superior and the MR is pathetic now compared to what the other tanks build.

Gunblade's strengths have literally been pounded to the dust since Cinderhulk came out.

ChoGathsSon1 votes

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Well, that's what Gunblade became since BorK became and stayed nearly OP. Anti-magic with sustain.

Now? BorK's sustain has become superior and the MR is pathetic now compared to what the other tanks build.

Gunblade's strengths have literally been pounded to the dust since Cinderhulk came out.

Well either way it's entirely situational as it was to build gunblade, even vs heavy AP teams. Even then id only build gunblade vs ap top laners if I decided split pushing was a better option if teamfighting was bad. But still, since Botrk was reworked, I'd find it hard to even consider gunblade. Thanks Akali.

LilxPaprika1 votes

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Thanks Akali.

Nothing wrong with her. Its just at low elo. Its the nature of her kit. At LCS lvl she hasn't seen much play. At a lvl where nothing is free and sustain champs that thrive off free kills to survive aren't rewarded nearly as much.

ChoGathsSon2 votes

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Nothing wrong with her. Its just at low elo. Its the nature of her kit. At LCS lvl she hasn't seen much play. At a lvl where nothing is free and sustain champs that thrive off free kills to survive aren't rewarded nearly as much.

I'm not saying Akali is OP, she just always gets gunblade nerfed randomly once a season lol

Earl Eulrich1 votes

the thing is...you will outsustain and kill tanks with both items, but gunblade is still more efficient at killing squishies fast.

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