Bard is sad. He can't take a magical journey on J4 Ult

dBSau·Jul 7, 2015·23 votes·2,406 views

title..... intentional or bug?

30 Comments

Rıots Bad ClientJul 7, 20156 votes

Well, it would be to glitchy- lets say the bard uses Magical journey just as the J4's ult finishes.

you now have a floating magic portal.

AsdeftJul 7, 20153 votes

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Well, it would be to glitchy- lets say the bard uses Magical journey just as the J4's ult finishes.

you now have a floating magic portal.

They could code around that and maybe have it disappear with the J4 ult.

vikenJul 7, 20151 votes

Not happening, spaghetti code OP

AsdeftJul 7, 20151 votes

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Not happening, spaghetti code OP

rip

Stray KatJul 7, 20154 votes

Can he use it on Anivia's wall? Trundle's Pillar? If not, it's probably intended. It would make him a hard counter to J4, with a basic ability - They GENERALLY try to avoid that.

dBSauJul 7, 201515 votes

So Vayne gets an exception?

Stray KatJul 7, 20154 votes

But her tumble can also go through minions in her way, can't it? Whereas Bard can't run into a wall of minions and E them to get through.

ModAcademy KaynJul 7, 20158 votes

Fun Note, Things like J4 ult, Trundle pillar, and Anivia wall, are all coded as minions! So things like Vayne's tumble, that passes through them, can go through the wall.

SerBlaiseJul 7, 20154 votes

but you can condemn into those things, right? same with gnar ult into them...in some way the are coded as a wall.

MohawkBirdJul 8, 20151 votes

Imagine Gnar ulting people into minions for a stun.

LeetriJul 7, 20152 votes

I remember when Sejuani's dash would displace segments of Anivia's wall and punch a hole through it.

PinkieJul 8, 20151 votes

summoner 6 item 3046

A Miss FortuneJul 7, 20151 votes

I want Bards to be able to use their portals through minions now.

PinkieJul 8, 20151 votes

Vayne's tumble is not an exception; she can tumble through corners and thin walls.

Here are a few examples.

AsdeftJul 7, 20151 votes

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Can he use it on Anivia's wall? Trundle's Pillar? If not, it's probably intended. It would make him a hard counter to J4, with a basic ability - They GENERALLY try to avoid that.

What about ANY champion with a dash?

Stray KatJul 7, 20151 votes

A dash is slightly different in that it only gets YOU out of it. If I dash out with my Ahri Ult, Jinx and Vlad are still stuck in the wall. If I use a magical journey, not only am I out, but my entire team is out, making his ult theoretically useless as long as a bard is around.

AsdeftJul 7, 20153 votes

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A dash is slightly different in that it only gets YOU out of it. If I dash out with my Ahri Ult, Jinx and Vlad are still stuck in the wall. If I use a magical journey, not only am I out, but my entire team is out, making his ult theoretically useless as long as a bard is around.

That is supposed to be the point though, champs can counter other champs.

Stray KatJul 8, 20151 votes

Well yes, but they prefer soft counters. Such as Yasuo Vs. Ahri. Yes, Yasuo's Wall can block everything Ahri can shoot at him, but if she's smart about it she can fire around the wall, or bait it out.. Either way, her spells aren't worthless, they're just harder to land.

Whereas this suggestion would cause J4's ult to be completely useless. To the point where I would honestly dodge if I picked J4 and saw someone pick Bard, because I'd know that past laning(Or ganking bottom), my ult would be completely useless.

Though, it would be pretty funny to see Bard use his journey from outside of J4's ult to let the Nasus in there with him. "WHO LET THE DOG IN?!"

Basically, they prefer to not hard counter ults. Maybe hard counter an ability or two(Karthus Q hard counter's Heimer Q for instance.), or soft counter an ult(Grievous Wounds during Mundo's ult for example. Ruins the heal, but he still has the movespeed, and even this is almost a hard counter I suppose). Adding this interaction would be a hard counter to J4's ult, and honestly just isn't needed in reality. Sure, it'd be nice once or twice.. But there's already plenty of methods to escape J4's ult(Flash, Movement abilities, killing the J4), without adding this in and making it so that you basically HAVE to pick support Bard against him to stop your team from screaming at you for not doing it(Toxic Community OP).

DanofDemaciaJul 7, 20151 votes

Yasuo Hes the reason u have to put generally

Fried NoobJul 7, 20154 votes

Feel free to correct me on this, but J4's ult, along with trundle's pillar and Anivia's wall are not coded as terrain, but are instead coded as fancy minions. So Bard's magical journey, which creates tunnels through terrain, would not work on these.

ConturbatioJul 7, 20151 votes

You're completely wrong, a few patches ago, some abilities that rely on terrain, will proc on player created terrains like Poppy's E, Vayne"s E, they all rely on walls to be useful, same goes to Bard's E, he should be able to use it on player created terrains.

TyrannicalWallJul 7, 20151 votes

He's still right, since it's coded as fancy minions, not ACTUAL terrain, no, it wouldn't work

bradJul 7, 20153 votes

literally in the champion spotlight it says you cannot magical journey on temporary terrain

and apparently nobody in the comments watched it

OverpoweredSoapJul 7, 20151 votes

I believe his wall is coded as minions, so yeah, it wouldn't go through.

DJ Di0Jul 7, 20151 votes

I /think/ I saw a Bard E through an Anivia wall once but I'm not entirely sure.

NapaImJul 7, 20151 votes

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I /think/ I saw a Bard E through an Anivia wall once but I'm not entirely sure.

It can not. I played him with my friend who mains Anivia. He can stun people into her wall, but he can't e through it.

option paralysisJul 7, 20151 votes

Wukong can clone out of J4's ult also. It's cool that a lot of people doesn't know that and when I do it, it's like WTF.

DaxterrJul 7, 20151 votes

yea wtf why can vayne get out of it but bard can't. I am calling bulllshit rito we demand justice.

OffMetaSuppMainJul 7, 20151 votes

Its intended. Its for coding reasons. It would take too long to code something for terrain that isnt permanent. They said so in the bard Q&A.

PinkieJul 8, 20151 votes

Bard 's Magical Journey lasts longer than all forms of temporary terrain besides item 3512 . They said in the champion spotlight that he isn't allowed to journey through them.

Bard is not sad. He can still stun JarvanIV against the Cataclysm wall and ult to buy more than enough time for Cataclysm to time out or escape by taking a Magical Journey through a nearby wall.