Too frequent are the trolls in normal games and even in ranked games, the players that instalock, or say they will int feed if someone doesn't dodge, i only dodge when there are trolls in champ select and when i do i have to wait 30 mins now -.- can you implement a system in which you can vote to disband in champion select so this doesnt happen?
Splashworks38 votesNah bad idea...you could literally just do this any time the enemy team comp looked better and queues times would be even worse..
manbearswine4 votes[{quoted}](name=Deku Foxx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FVRLieFa,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-11-07T09:33:05.053+0000)
Nah bad idea...you could literally just do this any time the enemy team comp looked better and queues times would be even worse..
Naturally some penalty would be involved.
N Pelosi5 votesThen why not just dodge at that point.
manbearswine13 votes[{quoted}](name=N Pelosi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FVRLieFa,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-11-07T14:48:16.887+0000)
Then why not just dodge at that point.
Because the penalty would be smaller.
Say your team has a troll/can't get it's shit together, and everyone is aware that they don't want to enter a game, as things currently stand one guy just has to take the bullet for everyone, the suggestion would be instead if a vote of(4/5?) passes, the penalty is split amongst the entire team(possibly the enemy team getting a minor reward too? say -1 lp for the disbanding team+5 min que ban and the other team gets +1 lp each) instead of just one guy getting -3lp+30 min ban.
Also maybe give an option to say "this guy is trolling hence we disband", giving an option to report in champ select for disbanding teams.(or not, whatever)
tl;dr so that one guy wouldn't have to take one for the rest, but give the option to split the burden.
dakota saturn3 votesBecause the penalty would be smaller.
Say your team has a troll/can't get it's shit together, and everyone is aware that they don't want to enter a game, as things currently stand one guy just has to take the bullet for everyone, the suggestion would be instead if a vote of(4/5?) passes, the penalty is split amongst the entire team(possibly the enemy team getting a minor reward too? say -1 lp for the disbanding team+5 min que ban and the other team gets +1 lp each) instead of just one guy getting -3lp+30 min ban.
Also maybe give an option to say "this guy is trolling hence we disband", giving an option to report in champ select for disbanding teams.(or not, whatever)
tl;dr so that one guy wouldn't have to take one for the rest, but give the option to split the burden.
Might be useful after this 4-man premade nonsense goes away "PICK SUPPORT EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE MID OR WE WILL DISBAND & REPORT", but people will also do it to punish ppl who pick off meta champs. At one point Annie/Morg/Brand/Fiddle support were all troll picks and you were reported for playing them - if this existed, those players would be auto-punished even though they didn't do anything wrong.
manbearswine1 votesI think people are overestimating abuse potential, as always.
Might be useful after this 4-man premade nonsense goes away "PICK SUPPORT EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE MID OR WE WILL DISBAND & REPORT",
Reports from premades are already counted differently, It's not just that, as things are they can say "go support even though you're mid" and then report you if you don't, just without disbanding, as far as the penalty inflicted by the disband, they all get it too, and there are 4 of them, so they screw themselves x4 as hard. So this doesn't create the problem of the famed 4 man, it still remains a problem naturally, but it doesn't make it worse.
but people will also do it to punish ppl who pick off meta champs. At one point Annie/Morg/Brand/Fiddle support were all troll picks and you were reported for playing them - if this existed, those players would be auto-punished even though they didn't do anything wrong.
Again, as things stand, they can still report you for these picks in the usual circumstances(when the game is over). Mind you I kinda wonder what you intend to pick which will cause 4/4 of your teammates to rather take the penalty than play the game with that pick.
Anyway: This doesn't solve all problems, though it helps with some, but it doesn't really create or exacerbate problems either, so it seems like a decent idea.
dakota saturn2 votesI think people are overestimating abuse potential, as always.
Reports from premades are already counted differently, It's not just that, as things are they can say "go support even though you're mid" and then report you if you don't, just without disbanding, as far as the penalty inflicted by the disband, they all get it too, and there are 4 of them, so they screw themselves x4 as hard. So this doesn't create the problem of the famed 4 man, it still remains a problem naturally, but it doesn't make it worse.
Again, as things stand, they can still report you for these picks in the usual circumstances(when the game is over). Mind you I kinda wonder what you intend to pick which will cause 4/4 of your teammates to rather take the penalty than play the game with that pick.
Anyway: This doesn't solve all problems, though it helps with some, but it doesn't really create or exacerbate problems either, so it seems like a decent idea.
I'll give an example - I personally really enjoy playing AD LeBlanc top. I know it's not seen as the best pick for the role, but its by far my most played champion, and I almost always contribute a lot to the game. I see it similar to Quinn or Teemo with higher mobility and more utility. However, I get a lot of hate in pregame and the early parts of the game, especially if the enemy gets a lead.
If this idea is implemented, every time I want to play AD LB, I'll get marked as 'trolling', and I won't even get a chance to start the game and show I'm not.
Gosh Darn3 votesWhich means you do something to prevent it from being abused, rather than just completely abandoning the idea. There are a number of ways to prevent abuse.
You can only be involved in X amount of disbands. Let's say 1 per 5 games. It could be on an "ammo" system, like up to 3 disbands in waiting and 1 regenerates every 5 games or something like that.
Disbands could be reviewed. Disbanding for no reason would result in a temporary freeze on your ability to vote or propose disbanding.
Disbands could use a separate penalty system from dodging. This way you could get locked out for 5 minutes for disbanding without being put on low priority queue or being locked out for 30+ minutes for dodging. This wouldn't fix everything, it would mostly be a way to deal with those rare instances where you have multiple trolls in succession, and you have to choose if you want to further stack your dodge penalty or have a miserable 20 minutes 4v6. This would slightly alleviate that without being appealing under normal circumstances so it wouldn't be used willy nilly.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deku Foxx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FVRLieFa,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-11-07T09:33:05.053+0000)
Nah bad idea...you could literally just do this any time the enemy team comp looked better and queues times would be even worse..
Actually this would speed up queue times.
Instead you'd just be in many consecutive champion selects over and over.
Elipo1 votesThe time window should have been closed by the time you see the enemy comp
U R Good At Game1 votestbh idk if that's all a bad thing. I'm tired of losing games because my team refuses to make a comp and they have like Illaoi, Amumu, Annie, Jinx and Leona.
hhaavviikk18 votesand look as 90% of ranked games get disbanded because it turns out the enemy has a better team
SwaggyMcGhee42013 votesPeople could vote to disband if they're counterpicked or if their team comp looks significantly worse than the other team's, though.
statelesskiller8 voteshashinshin will never play again
Maiziea3 votesI don't see a problem here? :^)
Xela Syab6 votes
sounds like you want some troll support.
Hyperiön3 votesTo add onto this. I think that you should get to disband, but you lose 3LP, similar to a dodge, except you don't have to wait the 5-10 minutes to queue up again.
rtbf761092713 votesproblem is they are very often with friends meaning your vote would fail anyways. In fact I think the majority of the time this has happened to me, I was solo in a lobby with a group of 3 or 4
Majestic Sock1 votesWith the solo / duo que coming back for ranked on the other hand if such a system was implemented and made so a majority vote was needed instead of a unanimous vote it could be viable. I have been playing with alot more toxic, flaming and just downright unpleasant people on my team and even on the enemy team and would not mind seeing more ways to punish / deter this type of behavior in season 7, since it seems to get worse with each new season...
TheNeemDream2 votesIf there's an LP penalty then you might as well dodge. This would just make it difficult to play an off meta pick and as others have said, the queue times would become long as people dodge any time the enemy's team looks better.
MonkeyMadness2 votesRiot will never do this because they have this fucking moronic self-righteous attitude that anything that might possibly be abused is automatically bad, even if it will benefit the vast majority of the community. They also have this idiotic idea that verbal abuse is the only/worst kind of toxicity and pretend that trolls don't exist, and when confronted with evidence to the contrary, they still find an excuse to punish that trolls victims more frequently and severely than the troll him/herself. Fuck Riot.
it be lìke that2 votesits not "possibly abused" this would 10000000000000000000000% see abuse.
we got outdrafted boys, lets disband.
MonkeyMadness1 votesSo limit each player to a certain number of disband votes per week. This way, you only vote if you are really sure that you are going to lose. And make the voting blind so that you can't see how other players voted and "save" you votes.
rtbf761092711 votesDo you realize just how much it would increase queue times to give each players a free out from game(s) every week? You know those times when you just want to find a game and 40 minutes later after 3 failed lobbies you don't have time to actually play a game anymore? That would be like, every day
Timewinder1 votesActually, they'll never do this because it's a retarded idea; if this ever went live everyone would be complaining about increased queue times and dodging based on how team compositions looked.
it be lìke that2 voteswould turn into "we got outdrafted, lets disband"
PureSilvrr1 votesI actually like this idea, the only problem would people just trolling in groups to force disband people, but its a good idea
dakota saturn5 votesI actually like this idea, the only problem would people just trolling in groups to force disband people, but its a good idea
People already do that to force queue dodges as it is.
Wolfram Oxford1 votesI do it. Whenever my friend gets on and I am in champ select I lock in Janna mid/top with smite cleanse.
dakota saturn2 votes[{quoted}](name=Wolfram Oxford,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FVRLieFa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-07T14:29:42.708+0000)
I do it. Whenever my friend gets on and I am in champ select I lock in Janna mid/top with smite cleanse.
Wtf I play Janna Mid/Top legitimately. You make me look bad.
ninjaroxas1 votesI played janna top once because a blitz took my support role and we all some how missed that till we got ingame. I got first blood on an jax
dakota saturn1 votesI played janna top once because a blitz took my support role and we all some how missed that till we got ingame. I got first blood on an jax
Dude Janna totally dominates Jax in lane. He literally can't do anything. You interrupt his leap, can W him through dodge, and shield if he happens to jump on you anyway.
It's such an easy lane haha.
Wolfram Oxford1 votesI remember pre-30 games playing Janna mid and top and killing people. I also remember Soraka mid post-rework, also destroying mid.
Eric Senpai1 votesEach game should have a Ban Congress of elected representatives for each team. Each ban should have to pass through an Executive Ban-Leader who can veto or pass the champion ban. When all is said and done, a Supremely Tubular Court of Ban Judges will decide if the ban falls within the laws of the Banstitution of Rito.
Zoeeee1 votesIt would have to be 5 players in agreement.
MagikarpIsBoss1 votesThat would just make this whole thing useless. If someone is trying to troll, they would just vote no. Making 5 people have to vote yes is just stupid.
Zoeeee1 votesIf it was 4-1 it could be abused aswell, it's less for trolls, and more for countered lanes, and bad team comps.
Mordepool1 votesIf they did implemented that would you finally STFU and play the game with Off Meta picks
Unicky1 votesYou could make it so that players that have previously disbanded cannot disband the next lobby. Chances are if you voted to disband the lobby to begin with you won't be a troll. You could also give players that disbanded from a lobby some kind of queue priority with each other to balance it out.
My only problem with my addition to that system is that a troll can vote to disband just to get in a lobby where people can't dodge. In my defense however, how many trolls are smart enough to figure that out? Especially if you never tell them about it (few enough people would be committed enough to trolling to learn and exploit a system to waste their own time, that'd be silly.).
That's my 2 cents on the issue.
bad arcade kitty1 votesback then when dodge penalties were much higher people knew what to do you simply tell them go on and then pick as usually, most of people don't want to troll so they would either dodge themselves or play
General Esdeath 1 votesNo because Riot fears imaginary abuse that wouldn't happen unless it's a premade
R7 Factor1 votesShould the guy that voted no take an lp penalty too?
Supreme Senpai691 votesYeah, otherwise everyone would vote no to try to get it disbanded without an LP loss. Or the troll/intent feeder could vote no, being the reason they're voting to being with, and lose no LP or force people to play. I highly doubt a premade 4 will go into games just to force the 5th to lose 3 LP
R7 Factor1 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FVRLieFa,comment-id=00180000,timestamp=2016-11-08T04:06:38.955+0000)
Yeah, otherwise everyone would vote no to try to get it disbanded without an LP loss. Or the troll/intent feeder could vote no, being the reason they're voting to being with, and lose no LP or force people to play. I highly doubt a premade 4 will go into games just to force the 5th to lose 3 LP
That's kinda unfair, what if the guy was Diamond 5 but decays to Plat 1 because of it
Supreme Senpai691 votesThat isn't how decay works, and it's also not how dodging works. I think you mean demoted instead of decayed. And you can't be demoted through dodging, you simply go -3 LP. Anyway, if it's a vote it honestly seems pretty fair to me. Can't really get more fair than a democracy
CithriaC1 votesNice though I imagine it could be abused in cases like, "Oh no we have 
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Supreme Senpai691 votesI don't care about the LP loss I'd gladly dodge to avoid the mmr loss. But Idk why it gives increased queue times :/
ƒoes1 votesI could see it being abused by 3 or 4-man premades, let's say the random gets a role somebody on the premade wants. Said premade now gets to majority-vote the random out.
It would be nice but I can see it being abused way too easily.
PayaThePapaya1 votes4 man premade: shit enemy team comp looks scary. casually disbands
Kingdom Corn1 votesLast game had full ad raka top... U know what I did? I won by playing hecarim
