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First match of the season ends with horrendous matchmaking

IsaacgMfOrW··12 votes·8,261 views

I get paired with a jungler who afk farms and lets the opponent jungler rule the map as she sees fit.

My top laner Nasus goes 0/4 in lane and has only 300 stacks by the end of 45 minutes.

The jungler and top laner constantly walk into the opponent's jungle to feed kills and do nothing else for the rest of the match. They don't defend the nexus, don't try to contest the baron and instead leave it to the mid and two bot laners to try and steal it by themselves, and the Nasus being the only tanky frontliner afk farms all game long never to get over 300 stacks. Not to mention he runs from Zed while having an Iceborn Gauntlet and bramble vest on himself instead of defending turrets.

And the result of it all? I get placed in Iron II despite my stellar performance in the game where I tried every bit to carry the match and had not just an amazing KDA but also roamed and ganked the hell out of lanes while also rendering my own laner useless.

https://i.imgur.com/2cm91eN.jpg

This is not a rant post but a reflection of what this game has become.

I tried my hard to carry, I really did. I even typed it out in chat over and again and begged for the jungler and top help us out but they didn't budge. My bot tried hard but as it stands a bot laner can walk out of lane 8/0 and still die in two hits. Sadly we weren't able to win the game and were held hostage because the other two wouldn't surrender either.

I only played this season to give LoL another chance but looks like I am leaving LoL behind with season 9 being my last. Season 10 is only going to be an amalgamation of everything which was wrong with season 9.

56 Comments

Butterwood10 votes

"I lost one game where I wasn't the reason we lost - this is not a rant I swear"

IsaacgMfOrW3 votes

The game matters more than your opinion because my account has now been placed in Iron while I was silver last season.

If you've got nothing to add to the conversation then get out.

The automatic placement for one match where I tried my hardest, did better than anyone else on the rift, and still got placed in Iron II due to my teammates is devastating and I don't deserve this.

IVSakenz5 votes

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The game matters more than your opinion because my account has now been placed in Iron while I was silver last season.

If you've got nothing to add to the conversation then get out.

The automatic placement for one match where I tried my hardest, did better than anyone else on the rift, and still got placed in Iron II due to my teammates is devastating and I don't deserve this.

its only game 1 of 10...the iron 2 thing is a placeholder until all 10 of your promo games are played.

IsaacgMfOrW2 votes

10 matches in Iron II and let's say you win the next 9 matches you're still going to be in silver.

Winning a match automatically places you in high bronze and allows you to hit gold through placements alone should you do well. I am disadvantaged by a division and a half here despite having tried my 100% to carry the game.

I didn't afk, and I played it till the very end. Two of my teammates didn't want to win and we couldn't carry the game. The result of it being I now need to fight my way out of Iron II and blow my placements in what could have landed my in at least the same rank as last season's.

Do you understand now why I think matchmaking is a real issue? People who don't play at my level are playing with me and regardless of into being a toxic fuck who afks at the first sign of a loss it doesn't make a difference and instead I am being punished for trying to win the game.

Season 9 was the last season for me but I am still dismayed at how this game decided to fuck me over despite it not being my fault.

IVSakenz6 votes

No dude.. Iron 2 is a provisional rank.. it says it right in the screen shot...in the achievement that popped up..

Provisional = arranged or existing for the present, to be changed later...

meaning a placeholder

after your 10 games it will actually place you..

Butterwood5 votes

You think if you had won 1 game it would have put you in high bronze, but because you lost . you were placed in Iron 2? Oh sweet summer child

IsaacgMfOrW1 votes

There's no reason for it to place me in Iron when I was silver last season.

Are you sure you understand how ranked works?

Butterwood9 votes

Oh, honey

If your MMR is low despite last season's rank, that's exactly where it'd put you.

I was Silver 1, lost my first game, got placed Bronze 3. With wins I'm sure I'll end up Bronze 1 / Silver 4, but yes - that is exactly how ranked works.

S Tier Waifu5 votes

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10 matches in Iron II and let's say you win the next 9 matches you're still going to be in silver.

Winning a match automatically places you in high bronze and allows you to hit gold through placements alone should you do well. I am disadvantaged by a division and a half here despite having tried my 100% to carry the game.

I didn't afk, and I played it till the very end. Two of my teammates didn't want to win and we couldn't carry the game. The result of it being I now need to fight my way out of Iron II and blow my placements in what could have landed my in at least the same rank as last season's.

Do you understand now why I think matchmaking is a real issue? People who don't play at my level are playing with me and regardless of into being a toxic fuck who afks at the first sign of a loss it doesn't make a difference and instead I am being punished for trying to win the game.

Season 9 was the last season for me but I am still dismayed at how this game decided to fuck me over despite it not being my fault.

This is not true. For like 6 seasons now since they implemented the soft resets, you always start lower than you were, no one has ever placed silver at the end of a season and come out of provisionals in gold or higher the next season

Kiwi Lemonade2 votes

Games in provisional place you as you go. IE once you lose a game you've lost 100% of your games up to that point and you'll be Iron II accordingly. Win one game in your next ~three and you'll likely be Iron I and so forth. Yes, to get your same rank as before you likely need to win all 10 games. Even then, you may place lower - this is to offer a climb experience to all players and is a trickle-down effects as all master's challengers and high diamond players are all getting knocked down to Diamond.

This happens every year. While it is unfortunate you lost you also had two strong members of your team and the game was 47 minutes long so I do think there was room for improvement for you and the ADC. I can't see the jungler or top's name to look them up so I can't tell if matchmaking was an issue. Its only an issue when you are say a platinum player and get a silver on your team (Which happens), otherwise if he is Bronze and had a bad game thats just life not matchmaking. Move on, if your Katarina is good you'll climb in Season of the Assassin #3.

z63XnLCMwX6 votes

Match making is horrendous.

RoaminOrc6 votes

Just play more. It's called a reset for a reason. Diamond players get placed in Gold and Plat. Gold players get shot down to Bronze. That's where I am probably going to start since I ended gold. If you could climb higher than where you ended in 10 games then the ranking system would be busted. Ending silver you were basically guaranteed an iron rank.

Darkdemon6535 votes

How is the matchmaking system supposed to know how people are going to perform in a given game?

Nea1045 votes

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How is the matchmaking system supposed to know how people are going to perform in a given game?

Like, collecting and re-elaborating data as any other automated system does in 2020?

Or are we pretending that those 10 players were all brand new accounts? :'D

Kai Guy2 votes

Yes. All the stats get compressed into highly accurate precesion data for predictive match deciding.

That's how it anticipated the OP going off onKat despite it being months of them not playing it in ranked?

Or the Kah jungle with all of 0 ranked games. Or that 1 data point in normal must been the give away?

The nasus pick being 1 prior game in normal and 1 in 12 of the top lane chapions is clearly predictable via stats. 0 Ranked games on it but who did not see this pick comeing right? Stats know all. No reply hazy here try again.

Jinx could be anticipated right? Like 2 ranked games as jinx. Easy to predict shes gonna play jinx and not one of their mains MissFortune Kaisa

Only the Nautilus is fairly predictable in their picks.

Yes... No doubt this is clear evidence that these accounts had a massive amount of data available for future predictive stat magic.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

IsaacgMfOrW1 votes

I've played tons of games on this account What's your current complain again? The fact that I haven't played in a month? Well I still have tons of matches from prior to that and MMR doesn't decay until you've above diamond or so.

Kai Guy4 votes

They use stats! MACHINE LEARNING STATS. MAGICAL MATH STATS. Binders full of stats!

Just don't actually press any one claiming Riot can use stats to tell you what stats riot would need to use. Just don't ask folks how MM controls behavior post lobby creation. Just don't hold players accountable for being bad in individual games from time to time. Just don't point out that Elo and MMR are Statistical systems Or that ability to win is consistently viewed as the single most valuable stat in a game of skill for analyzing skill.

Fuck playing to win in league of legends! Rito give us league of stat padders. Fantasy football this shit already so that stat points > winning games.

Hordes662 votes

Whatever it is they're doing or not doing, this system sucks literal sheet.

IsaacgMfOrW2 votes

By looking at the statistics which you idiots don't seem to understand. You are literally skimping over the fact that Riot has the past match histories of every single player at their disposal along with their statistics and past rank.

Don't bother asking such questions. It isn't a difficult one to figure out and yet I see people come to the boards to ask how anybody could possible re-invent the wheel.

Darkdemon6535 votes

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By looking at the statistics which you idiots don't seem to understand. You are literally skimping over the fact that Riot has the past match histories of every single player at their disposal along with their statistics and past rank.

Don't bother asking such questions. It isn't a difficult one to figure out and yet I see people come to the boards to ask how anybody could possible re-invent the wheel.

{quoted}

Like, collecting and re-elaborating data as any other automated system does in 2020?

Or are we pretending that those 10 players were all brand new accounts? :'D

Looking at an aggregate of stats will give an average performance for various skill levels of matches, which is what the system does. That is not helpful when it comes to determining how a player will perform in a given game; it can know only how a player will do across a set of games.

IsaacgMfOrW5 votes

Except it doesn't. The system gives you MMR if you win, and costs you if you lose.

You can feed your arse off and get carried and your MMR will rise. You can do incredibly well and lose and your MMR dips. That's how this system works. There's no mumbo jumbo aggregate which the system uses to try and understand your score. Stop making things up.

Darkdemon6532 votes

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Except it doesn't. The system gives you MMR if you win, and costs you if you lose.

You can feed your arse off and get carried and your MMR will rise. You can do incredibly well and lose and your MMR dips. That's how this system works. There's no mumbo jumbo aggregate which the system uses to try and understand your score. Stop making things up.

Sure, that can happen for an assortment of games, but it won't happen across a large set of games. MMR IS an aggregate of performances across all games played.

Kai Guy2 votes

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/trueskill-ranking-system/

People can Quite literally look at a MMR system with published details if they want to understand it better. The concept of how to build a MM que for skill in a 24-7 environment is not a mystery.

Its funny... the same folks who are claiming Stats solve all issues are the same ones who will also say Ignore anything that's not Riots system which is a total black box but you can 100% trust my ability to understand its workings from my personal experience playing ranked.

USE STATS But also Just ignore professor Arpad Elos work on Stats and skill. STATSTICS FIX ALL.... Only don't study or try to discuss the original system used and peer reviewed from 1960. Who needs mathematicians when you have machine Learning right?

Meanwhile... I am happy to wait for some one to explain what stats other then Winning matter most for determining skill. I don't expect much. No one really seems to have a good explanation on how to objective sort noise so that bad stat overlap from spamming does not look stronger then Good ability usage where some one saves skills for correct usage.

Karfuss1 votes

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MMR IS an aggregate of performances across all games played.

Influenced by everyone you have ever matched with, not just individual performance. I'm of the mind that ranking, as League exists now, is outdated.

As an ADC or Support, you have zero agency if the Top laner goes 0/3 in under 10 minutes while the enemy Top laner snowballed into an avalanche and is now wreaking havoc on your Mid Lane/Jungler. By 15 minutes they're 5/0 and ramming it down mid lane, on second turret. That enemy top laner, let's say Darius or Mordekaiser, is still going force your flash or beat you into a grey screen with his 3-4 level lead and 1.5k+ gold item lead.

Maybe in all the past seasons, it was fine, where few champions could game-changingly snowball, everyone didn't do obscene damage with the fewest amount of items possible, dragons only gave gold, herald didn't exist, masteries/runes didn't define playstyles and towers didn't fall when someone sneezed in their direction.

Now? I'd rather be ranked purely as an individual. Role based ranking. Grade my game performance against everyone else in that role, and give/take points based on where I placed. If I'm a Diamond ADC, then matchmaking should reflect that by placing me in a game where everyone is Diamond tier in their role. If I'm a Silver Jungler, then I'd expect to placed in Silver level games against Silver players. Bronze Support, Iron Top etc.

Ranking based by solely on W/L is archaic. I can think of very few team-orientated games that do not consider individual performance even now. Even Battle Royales. They're all moving away from it and for good reason. Nobody likes getting screwed by something someone else did beyond their control, whether you're Challenger or Iron.

5050BS3 votes

Yep literally a Duo could have one just run circles in base while the other one is Challenger in Gold and the one running circles will climb to what ever rank the Challenger can keep 4v5 stomping.

When the Duo breaks up you now have an Iron player that is good at running Circles in base in a Plat game.

Kai Guy1 votes

And you have Iron players who can just buy Diamond accounts. They get demolished when they play solo. If you lack the skill to back it up your Rank is irrelevant. Boosted/bought accounts are like getting Trophies from goodwill. At best you can lie to claim others accomplishments as your own. At worst your gonna be found out to be full of shit, like some one might peace together that your name is not Gregory and you never won a bowling tournament in 77 given that you had been born in the 90s.

IsaacgMfOrW1 votes

If they do get carried in those diamond games their MMR will rise after said match. This isn't rocket science. It shouldn't be difficult to understand.

Kai Guy2 votes

If they are a handicaps to the point they consistently force losses they sink. Historically, that's what happens or no one would be bitching about underskilled players on their team.

Acting like luck is the deciding factor when some one is deadweight is ridiculous.

Kai Guy2 votes

Oh man, next your gonna say something ludicrious like how a Elo or MMR Rating is intended to represent a mean average for performance.

Meanwhile. +2 posters for "Use magic Stats". +0 list of what said stats would be or how it could possibly be implemented.

Kai Guy4 votes

The placement is grossly lower then needed to compensate for demotion protection being massively higher then needed.

Your going to need to lose 9 more games to keep that iron rank and even then its unlikely your even gonna have iron MMR.

IsaacgMfOrW2 votes

Even if I win the next 9 games it isn't going to place me in gold or higher through placements alone. Iron is unacceptable.

Kai Guy3 votes

Its there so that the kind of player who IS going to lose the next 9 games has an idea of what to expect. For everybody else its just absolutely meangless as it will change to a higher rank over your next placements.

Then it will still be a bit low, to create the illusion of a climb.

Again, its not remotely accurate unless your gonna 0-10 things.

General Esdeath 4 votes

Why you asking for reports though?

IsaacgMfOrW1 votes

Who the fuck is asking for reports?

General Esdeath 3 votes

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Who the fuck is asking for reports?

"Report Nasus and Khazix." "Please." "Thank you."

Bah Biscuit2 votes

Um... you did. In the screenshot. LMAO.

Yordle Xayah4 votes

12 Deaths https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/583089f4737a8e61abb0186b/1x

Salty Mc Feed2 votes

...and if you had won you would maybe be iron III

Just play more games.

HommeGoujon2 votes

You still have 9 games to go. And you shouldn't be placed Gold if you were silver last season.

Lazy Grandpa2 votes

you're going to see ridiculous LP gains.

anyway unlucky dude, but it's still the expected experience right.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Literally none of this is matchmaking.

You think matchmaking fucking places people who decide to do dumbass shit on your team intentionally? Before literally anyone knows they're going to do dumbass shit?

The iron is your provisional rank. It's the absolute lowest you can possibly get if you never win another match. That's what it's fucking for.

RyzeRework1 votes

Let's talk about that ashe with smite tho lol

IsaacgMfOrW2 votes

She wasn't intentionally feeding and every single person on the opponent team was trying to win. Let's not leave that out.

Hordes661 votes

Matchmaking is terrible. Tweet comments like this at Mark Ytter. Edit: Not sure this game was a matchmaking issue. Both teams had 3 feeders, the overall kda scores were fairly close.

PinkPowerCoin1 votes

I mean it sounds about right to me. Every season I actually participated in rank i was always lower in rank than what I had finished in previous seasons. I finished Gold season 9, so I fully expect my placement ranking to be somewhere between bronze or silver this time around. And the first match only gives you a placeholder rank, so if you do well in the latter games you'll likely go higher. I know games can be frustrating (i feel it sometimes too), but if you reached silver last season I'm sure you'll get there again (and maybe even reach higher). So don't let the one game deter you too much.

Velasan1 votes

I got paired with a never before ranked player starting the new season on our side with a previous plat level mid laner on the other side.

It didn't go so badly, but over time they kept making mistakes and eventually the enemy team had too big a lead.

Catastroclysm1 votes

You were silver last season, and you wanted to place gold after provisionals? I'm pretty confident that's impossible homie. You gotta grind and improve, not just luck out in your first few games lol.

You can or at least used to be able to get gold off provisionals ON A FRESH ACCOUNT, but on an account with already bad mmr it's just not gonna happen.

Plus even then if you dont deserve gold you probably won't stay gold unless you stop playing. In which case you aren't REALLY a gold player anyway.

Tbh just have fun and try and improve. Focus on things like CSing, and dying less. You'll rank up naturally if you're improving, and it will be much less stressful on you.

IRight ArmI1 votes

Placements don't matter.

gimmieninja1 votes

you dont get your final placement until the end of the ten matches, they just update you as to where you are currently standing after each change (wins go up losses stay the same)

Hordes661 votes

Missing information: What was your rank last season?

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