Patch 5.3 The Leash on Fiddle's Drain is 800, not 700. Is it being nerfed from 800 to 650?

Bergoff Meridian·Feb 10, 2015·39 votes·3,230 views

The patch notes today announce that

W - Drain TETHER RANGE 700 ⇒ 650

Except the current tether range is not 700, it is 800.

As per patch 4.15

W - Drain A VERY ODD BUG Fixed a bug where Fiddlesticks' Drain tether would occasionally snap prematurely if an opponent moved out of a specific range within a certain window of time. The below two changes should maintain the old Fiddlesticks Drain feeling of pre-4.13, but since we've re-scripted parts of the ability (to fix the bug), we figured we should document it. > DRAIN TETHER RANGE Drain's tether now has a range of 750 ⇒ 800 DRAIN REFRESH RATE Drain now updates every 0.5 seconds ⇒ 0.25 seconds (overall damage remains unchanged)

Is the tether on Fiddle's drain really going from 800 to 650 in a single move? The cast range itself is 575.

33 Comments

KrullyFeb 10, 201527 votes

nerfing fiddlesticks, when lee and vi have been dominating jungle. i dunno....

Derpy MikeFeb 11, 201524 votes

"FUCK YOU AND YOUR JUNGLE DIVERSITY! PLAY LEE-VIN VI"

Rito ~2015

What Is SmiteFeb 11, 20155 votes

Except I'm playing Elise,Pantheon,Wukong, and Nautilus.

I don't think Riot's Marketing for Lee-Vin Vi is working

Killer X 12Feb 11, 20151 votes

Except both the play rates and LCS don't care what you are playing lol

TotalisFeb 12, 20151 votes

Fuck you lol

Nucleophilic atkFeb 10, 201515 votes

Welp, they have nerfed every single one of Fiddles abilities, I don't see why they wouldn't nerf drain for a 2nd time.

lDontLiftIcarryFeb 11, 201513 votes

I saw the fiddle nerfs coming honestly. I really did. right after warwick got gutted I knew the only other true full sustain jungler was going to get bitch slapped.

BIFFFeb 11, 20152 votes

^ This.

After Warwick got the rework from the development team (henceforth called the D). it was only a matter of time before Fiddles got the D too.

Other jungle champs on the list to get a hard pounding by the D. Udyr, SKarner, Rengar, Kha'zix and Irelia because why not.

Lee, J4, and Vi are balanced so they don't get the D.

If you want to play a different champ in a jungle go play cliffhanger.

Ariel the CruelFeb 12, 20151 votes

If you want to play a different champ in a jungle go play cliffhanger.

But Hangman is more fun. XD

Final EmperorFeb 11, 201513 votes

Dude I can't agree with you more. This champion was released in 2009, and according to LolKing he's played in less than 7% of games currently. THIS IS THE CHARACTER that needs a nerf right now??

AbrahamBaconhamFeb 11, 20156 votes

To be fair, he's also had a 53% winrate for a few years, according to Lolking. Not sure why Riot is focusing on him instead of revitalizing the dozen or so tanks and assassins that have all but been pushed out of lane and jungle, but to be perfectly honest, Fiddles is a bit of a sleeper-pubstomper.

Source; I'm a Fiddle main.

Major SparklesFeb 11, 20151 votes

Probably because it's easier to do a small number tweak then do a full kit fix.

Bergoff MeridianFeb 11, 20157 votes

Just tested it and Fiddle's new tether range is indeed 650, down from 800.

thechirrpirrFeb 11, 20152 votes

Thats pretty effin sad man, they did this before and it was a stealth change back in august 2014, later reported as a bug, they were probably testing reactions for a future nerf.

Desmond LawFeb 12, 20151 votes

I can't even

thechirrpirrFeb 11, 20155 votes

So are they trying to make this champ unplayable or what? I dont think people realise this is actually a flat out damage nerf, especially now that drain ticks every 0.25 seconds instead of 0.5 like before.

This is his only reliable damage ability that can be stopped by any form of cc in the game (70% of champs have this in their kit) except root and slow .... riot just made sure to not make it that obvious so players wouldnt freak out over this nerf spree on fiddlesticks that has been goin on for a year.

Not gonna jump to conclusions since S5 has barely begun, but the way things are going atm....it'll probably be just another lee year...

Auz the RipperFeb 11, 20151 votes

Oh, Riot will insure that it's favorite son is one of the most dominant picks? Who could have seen that coming?

Remlap1223Feb 11, 20152 votes

Karma man I know that feel.

Ariel the CruelFeb 12, 20152 votes

Not. Even. CLOSE.

To what they did to Karma.

LlaniteFeb 11, 20151 votes

Tether should have the same range as casting imho.

thechirrpirrFeb 11, 20153 votes

I really hope you were being sarcastic. Not that we're far from it anyway....650 is just 75 units away from 575 cast range. Sometimes these nerf decisions boggle the mind...

LlaniteFeb 11, 20151 votes

Before the nerf it was 800 vs 575 which is significantly larger.

thechirrpirrFeb 11, 20151 votes

What i meant was that now after the nerf its almost as long as the cast range, it breaks off so soon you'll be crying blood every time you even attempt to use it in a duel with someone, ppl break it so fast its not even funny i just played some games.

If god forbid they buy tenacity or qss, or you are up against someone with swiftness boots or trinity force, my god your drain isnt gonna do shit for all that insane 130 mana cost.

This change was totally unnecessary, if riot really had to do this to appease the bronzies then it should have been less of a nerf because my god 150 units is huge and its horrible, it was horrible back in august 2014 when they stealth implemented it and its horrible now, you couldnt do shit ppl would escape from you over and over while you oomed yourself for no reason.

LlaniteFeb 11, 20151 votes

It does 60 + 0.45 Ap @lvl 1 while other spells mostly do 70+ 0.75AP. So it breaks even with just 2 ticks, which is one second? It does too much dmg for what it's worth.

Dar RaksadaFeb 11, 20151 votes

Well, I didn't catch this reading so early in the morning, but this is pretty ridiculous.

TheSpaceCatDudeFeb 11, 20151 votes

I've seen lots of fiddle bans recently.. (silver) cuz i play him a lot in jungle... but really hes either a hit or miss champ, either they let you sit in jungle for your power spike lvl 6, free lvl 3 dragon... and all that... or they invade, your team forces you to gank and you get killed or w/e.. generally he is really hard to recover from a fall with if your team doesn't utilize pulling teamfights for him to surprise ult.

When a team who is slightly competent is facing you and they see an ult charging, the run... simple as that and you fail... they ward up so you cant hide and ult and its a uphill struggle... I agree though he doesn't really need a nerf.

GafugarionFeb 11, 20151 votes

Thanks riot... First you ignore Eve then you gut the next AP jungle I move on to. Ugh. Lee Sin/Vi/J4 every freaking game, what happened to jungle diversity that was promised. Nerf them so someone else is played.

Ariel the CruelFeb 12, 20151 votes

... what happened to jungle diversity that was promised. ...

It's somewhere between the bruiser rework and "mages won't push out supports".

The DEAFeb 11, 20151 votes

I'm pretty sure they meant to say 800->750. I did a test with drain on scuttle crab in this new patch.

Since fiddle's E has a cast range of 750, I used the range indicator as a point of reference. The drain did not break until scuttles got out of my E range.

Killer X 12Feb 11, 20151 votes

Yea, this wasn't the only numerical mistake in the patch notes either.

EeyoreFeb 12, 20151 votes

Perhaps it's now also calculated from edge-to-edge instead of centre-to-centre.

800 ==> 650, but against most champions it's functionally 750.

Alternatively it was changed to edge-to-edge ages ago and they just never updated the patch notes to say the range was now 700 ('cause it would be functionally 800 against most champions).

EpicusmaximoFeb 12, 20151 votes

Totally fucked the champion. He's absolutely useless now, especially in lane. Was he already not squishy enough? My god, as a fid jg if you get invaded by a bruiser you're done for, and now this?

I think it says measures that Riot didn't even know it was 800. I'm really glad I stopped spending money on League, REALLY glad.