RIOT, Do You Understand Fiddle before nerfing ?

NABestFiddle··0 votes·921 views

I as a dedicated fiddle player in the last 4 SEASONS(since the game started), have 5 fiddle accounts, played more than 10,000 games of fiddle. Today, I am quite disappointed about what RIOT has done so far for the fiddle nerf ..

Here are the nerfs RIOT did so far:

  1. [Drain] towards champions effect reduced compared to minions [SEASON 2]
  2. [Pink wards] no more permanent and can be seen by people walk by [Season 3] (is it a matter? yes, I will explain below)
  3. [Fear] reduced 0.5 secs in all levels. [Season 4]
  4. [Dark wind] no more silence the same champion more than 1 time [SEASON 5] (by the way, the only buff RIOT did so far is to kill minions faster using DARK WIND, not even to champion.. )

Here below is my explaination why these nerfs made fiddle players disappionted. By the way, I am not whining because I am not becoming a PRO player in the future. Even I did in the past with Warcraft & starcraft.

[Important notes] you will find these changes making sense in lower rank brackets... No judging. Below Platinum level, people DON'T KNOW how to deal with fiddle..
BestFiddleEver: but when you play vs diamond or up ranks BestFiddleEver: those good players know exactly how to counter fiddle with knowing fiddle's weaknesses ScrewHmwk: example?

BestFiddleEver: fiddle's advantage do you know ? ScrewHmwk: noo.... BestFiddleEver: 1. burst/surprise, 2. fear , 3 bounce with silence. BestFiddleEver: and fiddle's disadvantage BestFiddleEver: 1. slow, 2, die fast, 3, need vision BestFiddleEver: to win game.. fiddle needs to avoid the disadvantages. and do the advantages.. WHICH MEANS: Fiddle needs to avoid being seen most of the time, before he really commit to a fight. Or else, he just dies everytime seeing a good player face to face (based on the similar item fights) ScrewHmwk: oh i see what you mean

BestFiddleEver: in season 3. RIOT changed vision wards.. no more permanent pinks, so fiddle can die easy if he's being seen, vs champs like LB, FIZZ, TF, almost all champs) ScrewHmwk: they took away his advantages BestFiddleEver: in season 4. they nerfed fear to 2.5 sec instead of 3 ScrewHmwk: lol BestFiddleEver: in season 5.. now they nerf silence.. ScrewHmwk: QQ fiddles

BestFiddleEver: Let's make an example, to avoid the disadvantage..and win a fight, fiddle needs to

  1. use FEAR to escape when they are caught. because they run slow.
  2. use FEAR & DARKWIND to silence champions, when they are fighting face to face, because fiddle dies fast.
  3. Use Wards & Sweeper to avoid being noticed , before surprising the opponent

BestFiddleEver: THE fact is : now his features got nerfed! (Advantages)

BestFiddleEver: fiddle needs to hide to ulti, and be surprising .. now no vision. ScrewHmwk: i guess this goes for both sides BestFiddleEver: You are right, but if fiddle wants to clear a ward, he goes into his disadvantage: being seen BestFiddleEver: fidlde needs to rely on bounce to stop other champ's stun.. so he can drain as much as possible.. now he die even faster if he's stun earlier

BestFiddleEver: that's what RIOT is doing BestFiddleEver: by not understanding fiddle players.

BECAUSE: BestFiddleEver: in higher ranks.. they know .. BestFiddleEver: to win a fiddle.. 1. LEAVE HIM NO VISION, SO HIS MOVE CAN BE STOPPED ScrewHmwk: yet they dont understand him BestFiddleEver: 2. STUN HIM AT THE RIGHT TIME, AFTER HE DRAINS ScrewHmwk: you sound like you're raging lol BestFiddleEver: 3. LEAVE NO SURPRISES. BestFiddleEver: nah .. i am just disappointed about RIOT BestFiddleEver: and i m just stating the fact

After reading my words, I believe you guys will find it easy to play against a fiddle player.. AND I truly HOPE RIOT doesn't nerf FIDDLE anymore because majority of the players complain how hard they are facing..

Yes,, listen to the Majority players who don't know , because under Plat.. I believe there are 80% of people who don't know how to ..

Read my post.. you will find the key.

Thanks for any input.

One of the Best Fiddle in NA. Commented Along with friends NIKKONE, PVK NBD, OATHSTEALER, and many good fiddle players in this server.

11 Comments

Phife3 votes

are you autistic? just wondering.

NABestFiddle1 votes

No, thanks . I got a good life more than this game.

Phife1 votes

{quoted} No, thanks . I got a good life more than this game.

Lmao, what?

NABestFiddle1 votes

if you don't understand. God bless you.

Phife1 votes

{quoted} if you don't understand. God bless you.

Inshallah you will come to the mosque for jummah khutbat and we can have a chat while drinking some tea then we can make istighfar after our salat.

Cale0171 votes

Pretty sure the NSA has you tagged at this point.

Phife1 votes

{quoted} Pretty sure the NSA has you tagged at this point.

lmao, if they dont then they need to update their formulas

Cale0171 votes

"Hey Bob come take a look at this guy."

"Whoa no English word has that sound in it. Blacklist him."

Pryotra1 votes

Okay, I've been a long time player, since s1. I've taken the liberty of attempting to translate this... Engrish, so excuse me if I missed your point.

What I got from that is that you feel Rito has ninja nerfed and directly nerfed Fiddles repeatedly. Whether intentional or not, you feel Fiddles players have been wronged, and that Rito should better take care of fiddles and his playerbase.

However, you seem to miss the bigger picture. This isn't league of fiddles; this is league of legends. Over time Rito has indeed powercreeped their game via mobility and utility, to the point that the older champions, to maintain any kind of presence, rely on very outdated gameplay patterns involving unhealthy levels of power in raw numbers. What that means is that the old champions, for the most part, have outdated kits but incredibly high numbers to allow them to compete.

For example, lets take another champion that is in a similar boat compared to fiddles. I am going to use Shaco for this example, but there are others for sure.

Shaco has been ninja nerfed and directly nerfed to the ground. Over and over again. The only real "buffs" he has gotten in his lifespan are Rito fixing JitB bugs, and sprucing up his clone with particles and a minimap icon to make it a little more sneaky. That said, Shaco players, while rare, tend to be very high level players if they are good with him, and as a result tend to be diamond and platinum. How is this? because Shaco players know how to use Shaco to his fullest, and as a result are able to handle things getting worse for them every single patch, one way or another.

Fiddles, beleive it or not, is very similar. Loyal fiddles players are incredible at their champion, and as a result, when you see a fiddle in the middle, you know you are going to be in for a fight. Fiddles still has arguably one of the best follow ups to an initiation in the game, allowing him to support his tank with incredible AoE and CC in the form of his bouncing silence and his crow. He can then fear an enemy towards his team, and use his drain to survive long enough for his team to clean up.

You did a great job of pointing out how fiddles job has gotten harder, but you missed a crucial step. You need to see the new obstacle, but also need to find the way around it. 1 way I would suggest is to count CC. No lie, once the CC has flown, Fiddles is pretty free to mop up an entire team. If you count the enemy CC as they use them, you will know when it is safe to go in.

As far as some of the general changes, like wards, those are changes that every champion in the league has to now work around. Learn the methods to do this, and you will find that it will be far easier to succeed with any champion.

I hope this post was both informative and inspiring. As a LONG time Heimer main, I understand 100% how it feels to have your champion kicked around. You have to take initiative, and learn the way to succeed where others fail.

NABestFiddle1 votes

Appreciate your comment..

That's why I have been trying the best to survive and even improve with the fiddle being "ADJUSTED"..

At another point .. is .. RIOT tries to nerf older champions ,, such as Fiddle, Shaco, Heime... etc, did you think of why?

Because they want us to play new champions... and those who are OP as hell when first coming out... (Keep spending money)

Hehe, I am sure they don't like my comment, but it's fact that.. the older a champion becomes, the weaker it is ...

Thanks for your input though

ThatAutofillSupp1 votes

o_o? i personally think this is a buff so i can silence more enemy's in team fights while i ult

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