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Zyra has the worst passive and here is why

Macis··82 votes·7,312 views

Zyra . . . Zyra is a great champ, don't get me wrong, but...she has the worst passive in the game....

KogMaw Karthus Sion all have passive similar to zyra's but much better. karthus can use** all** his abilities upon death. Sion can do massive damage and still take farm/ towers and even champions upon death. Let's take a closer look at kogmaw's passive ...... kogmaw's passive is a near identical copy of zyra's except her's is a skill-shot and much more unreliable.

KogMaw passive deals a max of 550 true damage at max level. (aoe)*** NOTE: this is NOT a hard to use passive, just run to where the enemy is unless they use a mobility spell...Well thats too bad. Amumu Zyra's passive deals** 440 **true damage. **NOTE, THIS IS A SKILL-SHOT!!! ** why does zyra's passive deal less damage than kogmaw's even though it is a harder ability to use. both passives can deal aoe damage, why does zyra's deal less at a much higher dificulty.

I can see what some of your answers will be... "Well it only takes roughly 2 seconds for zyra to fire her passive, whereas it takes kogmaw 4 seconds" My answer: zyra has to take the time to track the enemy champions movement pattern if they are trying to dodge it, plus they can allways use summoner 4 both passives also have about the same range as well, Kogmaw has higher dmg

SOOO... in the end can somebody explain why Zyra has such a horrible passive? A passive only proq'd upon death? on a champ that needs good positioning? If i made any mistakes feel free to correct me, thanks for reading! Tristana

137 Comments

L Psy Kongroo42 votes

{quoted} Zyra is a great champ, don't get me wrong, but...she has the worst passive in the game....

Zilean

DrCyanide4 votes

Varus is probably a runner up

StoryDuck6 votes

So true, although Zyra's passive isn't the best Zilean's by far is the worst. It is the only passive in the game that can actually reach a point of complete uselessness. Once you hit 18 Zilean has no passive. (on a side note, I'm happy to see the Zilean buff on PBE)

Scrimshäw3 votes

Draven's is useless at full build. L2P

StoryDuck10 votes

Draven's has a useful impact when used. L2P

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb3 votes

Zilean's is there to win lane. It guarantees you hit your levelups sooner than your lane opponents, which is really good, especially in bot lane. Zyra's passive is unreliable at every stage of the game, isn't used if you don't die, and scales only with level.

Ryot Nomad3 votes

Mord is better for that.

kawaiikraftz1 votes

So is syndra's ult?

StoryDuck1 votes

Actually, she has a passive it just doesn't activate until you max out an ability. So that extra damage her Q gets is a pretty good passive in my opinion. Not to mention the bonuses to W and E. So at level 18 she is gaining quite a bit form her passive.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

Zilean's Passive was useful. Once.

Matezoide27 votes

This is what we call ''Power Budget''.

Her passive is meant to be shitty because the rest of her kit is incredibly strong.

Macis1 votes

her other abilities are spectacular, i love em, but that passive really puts her down. I agree with what your saying, but i would rather have a full balanced kit.

Matezoide5 votes

{quoted}

her other abilities are spectacular, i love em, but that passive really puts her down. I agree with what your saying, but i would rather have a full balanced kit.

Oh, no, i see your point. It is lame that her Passive is so boring, but there is a reason for that. I would be perfectly fine if Zyra got a minor rework to shift some power to her Passive, but the reason it is so weak does exist.

50000000000000008 votes

...but is the rest of her kit strong?

Narasimha14 votes

Yes

Aspynn6 votes

Meanwhile someone like yasuo thresh or lee with insanely overloaded kits and useful passives... Zyra deserves SOMETHING I think! Ever compared just to other mages, all other mages have real passives that are useful in some way. Zyra's passive is insanely easy to dodge and the only time you really get kills with it is when you die first in a teamfight or when your enemy completely forgets you even HAVE a passive.

Cloud Potato3 votes

You think Zyra isn't overloaded? She has very hard to dodge burst damage, high sustained damage from her plants forming an effective zoning tool, long range CC which is at least easy to dodge, and a very large AoE nuke/CC tool. She is a very powerful defensive champion with the ability to poke with a low cooldown, low counterplay spell. If she wasn't immobile, squishy, and a passive only useful when she's losing, she'd be stupidly overpowered.

UPfreely7 votes

actually it's just the opposite, most of her damage is relatively easy to dodge which is why people always say shes a disengage or counter engage support. Its kinda like how alot of low cc/mobility jungelers are great counter-gankers but not very good at initiating ganks.

Champion Skin3 votes

Thresh innate passive isn't actually all that great While yes he gets "free" armor he needs to actually get enough souls to make up for the fact that he gets no armor per level (though of course all your armor being bonus armor is an advantage if you have thornmail or that mastery that converts 4% of bonus armor (or MR) to MR... though of course it is also a disadvantage against Yasuo if he has his armor pen from ult)

And the free AP doesn't actually do all that much as all of Thresh AP ratios are rather bad except his ult

doombotMECHA2 votes

and how much free ap do other supports get....oh, right. also he has a second passive on flay that further increases his damage

Ardond11 votes

{quoted} ''Power Budget''.

Mordekaiser

Shifune1 votes

{quoted}

This is what we call ''Power Budget''.

Her passive is meant to be shitty because the rest of her kit is incredibly strong.

I would have agreed with you if we were talking about Zyra back on her release. Her kit was ridiculously powerful, so a bad passive made sense. Currently, Zyra doesn't have that level of power anymore. Her kit when played proper is indeed still strong, but it doesn't even compare to the power she once had; therefore, I think her passive is long overdue for some changes.

Malicious Fury18 votes

Zilean 's passive is the most useless. At level 18 it does absolutely nothing.

Remlap122313 votes

Bitch please, it doesn't do anything at level 1. Mordekaiser's passive on his W is stronger than Zilean's.

Rundus112 votes

I don't remember when, but someone else made a post about Zyra's passive. I agree with the both of you that it's weak, but they had a really cool buff/passive rework idea to make it better: If Zyra kills the enemy with her passive, the shot keeps flying and roots at the end of its path. After 1.5 seconds, Zyra regrows from the shot with hp equal to the enemy she killed's hp upon being hit and going on a CD so she can't use her passive for x amount of time. (I.E.: If you hit someone with 233 hp for 440 true damage, you come back with 233 hp and you passive goes on CD). I think this would be pretty cool, and if she fails to kill, her passive doesn't go on CD.

Shifune1 votes

{quoted}

I don't remember when, but someone else made a post about Zyra's passive. I agree with the both of you that it's weak, but they had a really cool buff/passive rework idea to make it better: If Zyra kills the enemy with her passive, the shot keeps flying and roots at the end of its path. After 1.5 seconds, Zyra regrows from the shot with hp equal to the enemy she killed's hp upon being hit and going on a CD so she can't use her passive for x amount of time. (I.E.: If you hit someone with 233 hp for 440 true damage, you come back with 233 hp and you passive goes on CD). I think this would be pretty cool, and if she fails to kill, her passive doesn't go on CD.

Like I say to everyone who thinks this is a really cool "buff" to Zyra's passive, it isn't. Her passive will still be terrible because you will rarely ever kill anyone with it. Maybe get a kill with it once per game, if even that? It simply does too little damage and is too hard to land for this kind of change to be meaningful.

Rundus11 votes

While it might not be the most meaningful, it's still a buff and a good place to start. Since it literally only gives her more power, it's a buff. At the same time, more work could be done, but this would make her passive much more unique. Simply put, she'd be able to get dove on, ult/root the diver in her team, and even if she dies she just has to last hit (or maybe even just hit them and they die within x amount of time) and she's back and ready to keep casting. Being as backline as she is, a mechanic for controlling where the seed lands might be needed, but since Zyra as a whole isn't all that terribly weak, she shouldn't expect too much in the buff department. And if the passive doesn't do enough damage, add variables to increase it. Maybe she sucks the life from nearby plants, gaining +15% damage on passive hit per plant or something. I could totally see that being helpful. Either way, she doesn't need too much more power, it's mainly just her passive that sucks, and that would make it not suck so much. It'd already outclass Zac's in most cases where the enemy just murders his blobs, Zyra can deal damage and still have a chance at coming back. Plus, I'd argue that worst passive in the game would possibly be Taric's. It'd be good with a few tweaks, but on its own it rarely accomplishes much of anything.

Water Breathing8 votes

Azir has no passive on Dominion, can we just let that sink in for moment? lol

Remlap12234 votes

Well, he did, but then Riot took out the attack speed from CDR. Plus nobody really cares about dominion, especially papa Rito.

Troll for Trump7 votes

Champs sorta in a zyra-esque spot Zilean : Bad kit,bad passive Heimerdinger : His passive is bad but his kit is pretty strong, so balanced Fiddlesticks :Nerfed to death Nunu :Useless passive. His mana costs are really low. If he's jungle blue nullifies it. If he's support, you won't be AAing enough to use it. If you're mid, you'll be harassed everytime you try to cs. But mid is the optimal place to use his passive. While his mana costs are low, his passive would be good if they were: weak abilities, low CD,low mana cost. This passive could be used on something with eve's hate spike for example Taric :strong passive,kit is kinda all over the place Twitch :ow so much damage. basically a worse vayne or worse teemo at this point..

A lot of champs are in a worse or similar spot, and are basically nothing to the likes of the overloaded kits of the new champs

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Or you could play top lane Nunu.

It Hertz When IP3 votes

Heimerdinger's passive actually serves a purpose, makes him very hard to force out of lane early game. Given that his playstyle laning phase often revolves around turtling behind his turrets, I'd say he actually has a fitting passive.

I'm with you on Twitch and Nunu though.

Tannhäuser Gate2 votes

additionally, with the regen changes at the start of the season, the donger now has the highest health regen of any champ, meaning you can do exceptionally trolly full regen builds

pacifishstick6 votes

It should buff all of her active plants or something. Make them go into a frenzy upon witnessing their master's demise.

ComannderShepard1 votes

{quoted}

It should buff all of her active plants or something. Make them go into a frenzy upon witnessing their master's demise.

imagine if all active plants got to fire a true damage thorn like zyra does

pacifishstick1 votes

Haha yeah I was thinking about that. You'd have to make it so you only take damage from one of them if hit by multiple shots though.

ComannderShepard1 votes

{quoted}

Haha yeah I was thinking about that. You'd have to make it so you only take damage from one of them if hit by multiple shots though.

why though? if her plants can be killable (especially because they are so easy to kill) they should deal full damage if hit by more than one imo

pacifishstick2 votes

Well 100 - 440 true damage per shot that can pass through units and doesn't diminish in strength after passing through units seems like a bit much. That's a lot of potential true damage that her current power budget doesn't really take into consideration. I feel like if that's the direction Riot took with her then the true damage per shot would have to be nerfed pretty hard. That way she would be rewarded for strategic placement of her plants and still have the potential to do more damage than she can on live with her current passive. Maybe something like 50 - 220 true damage per shot. That way if she has no plants up when she dies she is punished; she breaks even in terms of potential damage if she dies with a single active plant; and she has even more potential damage with two or more plants up if she dies. I do however think that's the wrong direction to go. Zyra's plants are supposed to be an integral part of her kit - I think they need to be more impactful while she's alive to justify being there in the fist place. Just my two cents.

chipndip14 votes

Zyra has the worst passive because you forgot Syndra and Zilean exist.

Syndra: Literally nothing. Her passive is an effect that can literally be baked into her skills without using a passive slot to do it.

Zilean: Literally useless. Oh yea...bonus exp...too bad this champ's destined to feed and there's no decent passive to help deter that.

Crett4 votes

Zilean isn't destined to feed, he's got one of the best kits for staying alive. A powerful slow/speedup, a stun, and a revive

But his passive is terrible

Rinky Dinky3 votes

Zilean

J Eevo3 votes

Meanwhile Lissandra Just be glad Zyra has a passive that's worthwhile

Koldheartedjsp3 votes

Fun fact:

with kogmaws passive you can just right click your target and it'll follow the target unless you lose vision ;)

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

There is Talon's passive.

Fowus5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FGaEEiTz,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-09-09T01:39:39.133+0000)

There is Talon's passive.

Talon's passive goes good with his kit

CubedJustice6 votes

I wouldn't say that, but Talon actively uses his passive, winning or losing, so it does something all game. If Zyra plays perfectly, she'll never even use her passive.

Divewing2 votes

Not sure if talon USES it, but it at least does something. Reliably and consistently

CubedJustice2 votes

Yeah. His passive does something no matter what. You don't have to be bad to have a passive with talon.

Profirix1 votes

Actually, the removal of silence from talons kit screwed his passive. Now his amplify doesn't utilize the passive.

Fowus2 votes

{quoted}

Actually, the removal of silence from talons kit screwed his passive. Now his amplify doesn't utilize the passive.

His E slows

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