I live in Canada (Eh) and I have around 80-120 ping. That is on high speed internet. On normal internet (not high speed) I get around 150 steady. With top of the line internet only getting 90 ping is trash. Putting a server would help everyone in New York (And Other close states) and would also help People in Canada! If you live in the region or would just rather play ranked with people that have better ping than Up Vote.
Thank you!
Taredom3 votesPeople actually voted no for this? Assuming that those are west coasters that want to keep that advantage (and it is an advantage, I play at 150 ping on a mobile network and 110 ping with my home internet, if the difference between those is anything like the difference between 110 and 60, you can really feel it.)
Meeks0112 votesDude, if they put another server there then my 30 ping isn't a fucking advantage anymore. I WIN LESS, FUCK THAT!
DrCyanide3 votesThe people who vote "yes" on this are the uninformed. The people who vote "no" realize what's actually happening and what's planned is going to be better than an East Coast Server.
Riot's basically making everyone's "League Internet" faster by peering up with ISPs. What this means is that if Riot makes an East Coast Server before they finish with this, they'll make that server actually slower for some players than it otherwise would be.
Riot's plan is to move the server to the "middle" of this faster network once it's built out, so that everyone in NA gets the fastest speed possible without splitting up the region.
Taredom2 votesThe people who vote "yes" on this are the uninformed. The people who vote "no" realize what's actually happening and what's planned is going to be better than an East Coast Server.
Riot's basically making everyone's "League Internet" faster by peering up with ISPs. What this means is that if Riot makes an East Coast Server before they finish with this, they'll make that server actually slower for some players than it otherwise would be.
Riot's plan is to move the server to the "middle" of this faster network once it's built out, so that everyone in NA gets the fastest speed possible without splitting up the region.
Thanks for clearing that up, I heard something about that about half a year ago, I understand this would be a colossal task to undertake and will take a significant amount of time. If that's the case, I'm good with that, been patiently waiting for that field to be leveled out, I can wait a bit longer.
DrCyanide3 votesI think this is the most recent update on the project: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/Ffh2dJXf-na-server-roadmap-update-south-bridge-pt-2-isp-peering
It looks like they're making pretty good progress on things, and giving updates about every 3 months, but they did give this little teaser:
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Yes -- Phase 3 (the centralized server move) will happen this year.
The next update you'll see from the NA Server Roadmap team will contain information and details around it.
Taredom1 votesI think this is the most recent update on the project: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/Ffh2dJXf-na-server-roadmap-update-south-bridge-pt-2-isp-peering
It looks like they're making pretty good progress on things, and giving updates about every 3 months, but they did give this little teaser:
So with at least that, we should have an even playing field?
Thanks a ton for the heads up and update, have all of my upvotes :D
Strat2 votesAnything below 150 doesn't really make that much of a difference until you get to Master/Challenger Elo. Plenty of New Zealanders and Australians got to high Diamond (some of them got to Master/Challenger Elo) on 180-260 ping before we got our own server. I myself got to Gold 1 without much effort (funnily enough I ended up lower Elo on OCE than on NA, although I've improved since then).
Decision making, mechanics and predictions are far more important than reaction time. Reaction time can make a difference, but it's not that big of a deal, particularly in soloQ.
Lower ping won't get you out of Bronze Elo. Learning the basics of the game will.
ScurvyNave1 votesNonetheles ping jumps around a lot and if it jumps from 150 to 260 in the midst of a team fight its kind of a big deal IMO. Especially of your opponents are western North Americans who get smooth ping and service all day long.
Strat1 votesYeah ping spikes are a bigger deal, that definitely needs to be fixed. I was just responding to OP who was complaining about his "high" 90 ping. There are very few things in the game that will be affected by 90 ping. Maybe flashing a Riven flash W or Ori ult might be harder, I dunno. Most of these things can be easily avoided with better play. But back on point, ping spikes I can definitely understand complaints about, OP wasn't talking about that.
ValyrianBlade3 votesI never find my 80-90 ping (also in Canada) to be problematic. What's problematic are the huge ping spikes to 300, 400, sometimes up to 800 or 900 ping. That's completely unplayable.
I want to believe that only happened because of an Internet problem on my end, but when it happens a few others on the map complain about it too. In all likelihood, it's an influx of a large amount of northeastern America players overloading the system's ability to efficiently send all of that data to California. It also only ever seems to happen during league's peak busy hours.
Playing with consistent ping, even up to 150-200 is possible. Inconsistent ping, even hopping from 60 to 260, can mess you up pretty badly...
ScurvyNave1 votesI have the same issues. Ping always jumps for me and my brothers whenever we play at a certain time. Everything's fine in the game and then all of a sudden your walking under the enemy turret and minions have lost their mind as the ping launches past 300.
Strat1 votesOh, that's a completely reasonable complaint then. I've seen some people complain about stable 100 ping, those cases are hilarious because they'd play just as badly on 10 ping as on 100. They're no Faker, they haven't gotten anywhere near the peak of mechanical play yet.
Ping spikes ruin play (even ~20-30 ping spikes e.g. 80-120 and back) so if that's what everyone is complaining about then I apologise.
ValyrianBlade1 votesIt might not be what everyone is complaining about, but it's definitely what my problem is ;) can't speak for the OP
A Miss Fortune1 votesOn EST we get pretty big spikes, and I think recently EVERYONE'S ping went up by like 10 for some reason? I had 70 - 90 ping on average and now It's more like 80 - 99. When it spikes it can very easily get around 900 ping, which is unplayable.
But yeah, 100 ping isn't bad and is totally playable, I think when you get around 150 - 200 ping there starts to be a noticeable difference but still playable. Still, for us when we get high quality internet It's kind of unfair that we will always have higher ping than everyone else lol.
kirbyzama1 votesHe didn't say anything about being held back by ping. Don't invent arguments that aren't there just because they are easier to refute. Regardless if lower ping would increase someones rank, which is unlikely, it is unfair for players in the same region to have 100 ms more latency than his opponent. The average human reaction time is 215 ms. 100+ms is a 50% reduction in possible reaction time which yes is not the difference between a gold and a silver or even a challenger and a diamond but it is the difference between two silvers or two challengers. Between even players it is an advantage. Beyond this its just not as fluid of an experience. Playing any game with less latency is just better. I don't play ssb Melee on HD TVs fo this exact reason.
As a final note, most people say lower ping won't make you challenger. This is true but most challengers and pros usually come from the west coast where ping is lower. This is merely data with no necessary causality however in getting good at most things non-skill related factors influence success. Expensive quality golf clubs or tennis rackets may not make you professional but it has a statistical influence on performance over time. Ping is the same way.
Strat1 votesOP said:
If you live in the region or would just rather play ranked with people that have better ping than Up Vote
In other words, he thinks that the people with better ping are doing better than him in ranked and thinks it's a problem.
Between even players it is an advantage
I agree, but people highly overestimate the signfiicance of it. If you're in a situation where 100ms reaction time is a big deal, then chances are you made a bad decision to get there. Sure, some players play completely based on their reaction times (some Riven mains come to mind) and if they were put in a high ping environment they'd actually be a lot lower ranked, but for the vast majority of players it's not such a big deal.
however in getting good at most things non-skill related factors influence success
Yes, I agree, but as I was saying this isn't a concern for anyone except the people at the very top.
kirbyzama1 votesIn other words, he thinks that the people with better ping are doing better than him in ranked and thinks it's a problem.
I can respect that interpretation. I interpretted the ranked line through my lens. I saw it as a fairness thing. You saw it as him feeling limited. The only one who knows what he meant is OP but regardless. I don't even agree with OP about the east coast server thing. A centralized server with better infrastructure (which is riots long term plan) is the best solution.
Yes, I agree, but as I was saying this isn't a concern for anyone except the people at the very top.
This I'll argue against. It isn't just people at the top but people gunning for the top. A lot of people say they play to be as good as they can get but most just want to play til they plateau. Most players aren't serious. I feel anyone can make gold or plat with enough play and even diamond doesn't require actual talent. The east coast doesn't provide the competitive edge to foster talent in the same way the west does. High base ping and larger ping spikes make the game less fun at best and unfair at worse. Even challengers were were silver once and though we have masters/challengers that trudged through the climb in the east coast the talent pool is definitely more shallow.
Finally in the course of a game sure 100ms won't change much but if you miss one condemn stun, cancel an auto, or get hit by a dark binding it can cost a fight or a game and if that happens once every 100 games in silver regardless of how minor it is, it's still unfair given that it can be fixed. And the number of games those things happen in increase with rank.
However this entire conversation is kinda pointless as Riot already has a plan in regards to NA infrastructure and its the most fair solution. Honestly I just like debating. So sorry about that =/
Strat1 votesIn my experience the different is negligible between two players of equal skill in terms of the rank they get placed. At least, when I transferred from NA to OCE, I actually dropped in rank despite going from 240 ping to 30 ping. The people who were D1 NA did tend to get to Master/Challenger OCE, though, which is why I'm inclined to believe that only at the skill-limited top level does it really matter.
Well I dunno, tbh I don't care that much either but I'm fairly confident that the people with stable (non-spiking) high ping on east coast won't improve their rank much with a reduction in ping. Best case scenario they'll gain a division or two.
Loken Stoneheart2 votesAnything below 150 doesn't really make that much of a difference until you get to Master/Challenger Elo. Plenty of New Zealanders and Australians got to high Diamond (some of them got to Master/Challenger Elo) on 180-260 ping before we got our own server. I myself got to Gold 1 without much effort (funnily enough I ended up lower Elo on OCE than on NA, although I've improved since then).
Decision making, mechanics and predictions are far more important than reaction time. Reaction time can make a difference, but it's not that big of a deal, particularly in soloQ.
Lower ping won't get you out of Bronze Elo. Learning the basics of the game will.
In an equally skilled match at ANY elo, the one with the lower ping will win. It drastically reduces the artificial reaction time created by having like 50% of the average human reaction time in Ping communication time.
Lets not act like getting a free division or two because a player's ping went from 100-120 to 20-40~ is nothing. The fact that ping can have a significant enough effect for a division or two is ridiculous. I don't know how Riot considers their game to have good matchmaking if they can't even sort out the massive discrepancy of ping between East and West coast.
Strat1 votesEh, it's anecdotal, but a NZ friend and I used to 1v1 all the time. We were evenly matched. He had 160 ping, I had 260 ping.
Then OCE server came out. We transferred. I have 30 ping, he has 70 ping. Our 1v1s were just as "close." This tells me that the importance of the decisions we made in lane were far more important than any minor reaction time there could be. Even in "equal skill" matchups, unless you're at the highest Elos the decision-related mistakes are going to be more important than the reaction-related mistakes.
Like seriously, you should know this since you're only slighly lower Elo than I am. If you put yourself in situations where you're relying on reaction time, then you're playing badly. There's a reason why OCE players made it to NA Challenger with ~220-240 ping before we got our own server. They played properly, such that reaction time was never an issue. And no, they didn't play low-reaction champs - I thought they were doing that too, until I realised they were still playing "difficult high-ping champs" such as Lee and Gragas.
You guys would know Keane - he came from KR, but he was living in OCE when he made it to challenger on NA. The ping didn't hold him back one bit. There were many others from the OCE "pro scene" (which is trash btw, but we have a few "stars" that did well on the soloQ ladder) who made it just as high, but you wouldn't know many of them (Raydere, Heavenz are two examples you can Google).
KirbyCake1 votesThey don't need a new server, they need a better fucking server.
Massive packet loss makes it ridiculously hard to last hit, ping constantly spikes from 110 to 300+ all the time.
Fatfry1 votesThat never happens to me ever. Riots servers have been pretty good recently (compared to like a year ago with the constant server issues) and I haven't gotten a significant ping spike in months, and I'm near the east coast. People like to just blame rito, but in reality it's probably either your internet or computer.
XaviorZeroBlazer1 votesone notch above borderline functional levels is still not good enough with amount of people that play this game. I went from kansas to NYC, same ISP same internet speed. Kansas 70-90 ping spikes at around 100. NYC 80-100 ping spikes around 250 and this is at 7am. This is a problem.
DlSHWASHER1 votesYeah I remember walking through walls and Ranked Teams where it was a 1 v 3 because of Rito. Ended up in a tie anyways.
NamiMainFromHK1 votesim from the other side of the world (hong kong) and im getting 160 on a good day, and 180 on a normal day.
IRicochet Runner1 voteseast coast problems luckliy I have made it to gold
Gati1 votesThey are 'building' east coast servers.. Look up east coast server roadmap, knowing riot it'll be ready in 2210