Twitch

Bisaknosp·Mar 22, 2015·30 votes·3,250 views

so i dont know why but riot seems to completely ignore twitch while i think he really needs 1 or 2 buffs he is really weak right now and cant fulfill the role of the hypercarry lets be honest his late game isnt really that great kog maw, jinx, vayne and even graves do a way better job than he does he isnt strong in any stage of a game and is outclassed by every other adc some of his nerfs from last year just destroyed him and need to be reverted like his base ad and passive nerf (since it barely does damage now) what do you think?

78 Comments

Only Play DariusMar 22, 201516 votes

He has the best personality of all the ADC's in the game (even better than Jinx ).

I Main SwainMar 22, 201520 votes

Draven you sir should be hanged for heresy

Only Play DariusMar 23, 20152 votes

Damn, I forgot about the king of a**holes.

Chaotic ReksMar 23, 20153 votes

he's the Draven of Draven s

TheTyeGuyMar 23, 20151 votes

Twitch is close, but I honestly think that Tristana has the pest personality of the ADCs since her change.

Chaotic ReksMar 23, 20152 votes

Draven "yoink"

KING OF MASKSMar 23, 20151 votes

I really like Trist as well, but you've got to admit her personality is kind of... generic. Nothing about her goes beyond the "sassy army girl" archetype, and especially when compared to Jinx/Twitch/Draven she doesn't really stand out that much.

FirstSergeantBimMar 23, 20152 votes

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He had the best personality of all the ADC's in the game (even better than ).

There I fixed that for you. They gutted his character and I will forever be disappointed with the joke they replaced him with. They didn't even keep the best fucking line in the game: "I strike from the shadows." The feels, they hurt. What I would give to see that humpback rat waddle down the lane again...

JunkοMar 23, 20152 votes

I DEMAND A SANDWICH

idk what you are talking about

FirstSergeantBimMar 23, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFtH_wFJBLs

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Twitch/Background Listen to his old quotes halfway down the page.

Slamurai JackMar 22, 20156 votes

Twitch had a 17-7 record at 2014 Worlds, largely due to SSW, who you may remember as the Season 4 World Champions. The last time Twitch was changed was in 4.10, many patches before worlds. The point is, SSW won Worlds with the exact same Twitch you're playing with now.

The way I see it, there are 3 separate possibilities. The first is that Twitch really does suck but SSW managed to make it work anyway at the highest level possible. The second is Twitch is fine or even good but he sucks in a Solo Q environment. The third is that Twitch is fine or even good but you (among many others) just suck with him. I'll let you figure out which one it is.

excodarMar 22, 20156 votes

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Twitch had a 17-7 record at 2014 Worlds, largely due to SSW, who you may remember as the Season 4 World Champions. The last time was changed was in 4.10, many patches before worlds. The point is, SSW won Worlds with the exact same Twitch you're playing with now.

The way I see it, there are 3 separate possibilities. The first is that Twitch really does suck but SSW managed to make it work anyway at the highest level possible. The second is Twitch is fine or even good but he sucks in a Solo Q environment. The third is that Twitch is fine or even good but you (among many others) just suck with him. I'll let you figure out which one it is.

He only did so well because they lane swapped him so he didn't have to lane against another adc.

AnidanMar 23, 20153 votes

It's also a possibility that champions around him have changed in such a way as to make him seem weaker by comparison. That tends to happen a lot in this genre of game. Even if a champion is untouched for a year, their relative power levels can fluctuate based on the balance of champions around them.

That said, I dunno.

ofartMar 22, 20155 votes

Yup, his damage isn't even that impressive until you have 4-5 items. Most ADCs come online far sooner and don't have such a horrendous laning phase and lack of general safety.

AziriouslyMar 22, 20155 votes

I've been hoping Riot would buff him a little since his gutting back in S4 but... :(

Xela SyabMar 22, 20155 votes

twitch is actually ok, koreans feared him last season. He doesn't need buffs, he needs peel so he can volley damage from far away.

Chespin2013Mar 22, 20154 votes

twitch hasnt really been touched at all really even during worlds last year hes still fine but could use a little something for his passive

LOL SpammerMar 22, 20156 votes

Why do people keep referring to the worlds. WE THE PEOPLE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT #LCSBIGPLAYS We are talking about the 99% not the 1%.

FearEngineerMar 22, 20155 votes

This mentality is actually the #1 thing I hate about the league community. There isn't any other game I have ever played digital or otherwise where people would spout off irrelevant bullshit constantly and support it with but in the pro scene

BudupopsMar 22, 20154 votes

he is trash

SpecterVonBarenMar 22, 20154 votes

Twitch's late game is fantastic, the issue is that unless you're a godly Twitch player or got an early snowball then he's bad early and mid game.

I Main SwainMar 22, 20152 votes

you should see Draven :(

draven basically gets out done in just about every way by another adc, all the while being (correct me if im wrong) the hardest adc to play

LOL SpammerMar 22, 20154 votes

WOH WOH WOH... SLOW DOWN THERE MATE! I found the problem. You think "Draven" is weak. I agree. The champion that is op is, DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Main SwainMar 22, 20151 votes

in all seriousness though, think about it. his q is basically a giant target screaming "THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE IM GOING TO BE IN EXACTLY THIS MUCH TIME". his ult, while being global and dealing a lot of damage once hes most of the way done with his build, I'm going to come straight out and say that if you get hit by it twice you're either cc'd or you were being stupid. even if the enemy team is dumb enough to leave you alone or your team is pro enough to keep them off you, juggling those axes is hard as crap and there's always that 1 or 2 that fly way off your course (happens to me all the time when I'm playing dragon).

then compare his strengths to other champs. he is pretty strong early game, and his autos do a ton of damage at all stages assuming he doesn't get behind, but other champs have multiple other tools to even the trades with him (often from further away) and he's extremely vulnerable, making it easy for him to fall behind. when he does fall behind, he is absolutely 100% the worst adc in that circumstance because he has little usefull cc and no real damage when he's behind. His ult, while having high potential damage, is close to impossible to land more than one hit of (doesn't help that since it hits minions as well unlike jinx and ashe ults, you gotta worry about the reduced damage on the way up.

one thing that worries me though is this: while I think he needs something to make him stronger, there's little they could do to make him stronger without making him flat out op. the only 3 ideas ive come up with are to make his ult come back after hitting a champ faster, make his axe catching easier in some way, and/or to make his passive apply on kills AND assists.

LOL SpammerMar 22, 20151 votes

Since he is strong early game you have to push your advantage and turn lane into kill lane. (Especially with his passive) Then you can get some items and practically one shot them a q and a couple autos. For his passive to be efficient you have to have a good support who knows that draven is a greedy bastard that needs to take the kills. (That is basically what his champion is based off of)

I Main SwainMar 22, 20151 votes

that's part of the problem. he's meant to be a snowball champ but almost every other adc is so safe that he's lucky if he can get in and auto them without tanking a bunch of damage himself, mostly because they can stay so far away or they can dash away at a moments notice, often times with plenty of damage of their own to poke him down. in other words, he's basically completely reliant on HIS support being able to lock the enemies down and keeping THEIR support off of him (considering that he is countered by all but a couple of the supports).

LOL SpammerMar 22, 20152 votes

Well I mean most adc's are reliant on there support at least to win lane. Can't win a lane without a good support.

LOL SpammerMar 22, 20151 votes

If you want to add me I can show you what I mean in a game.

I Main SwainMar 23, 20151 votes

I would honestly love to. I was briefly really good at draven (that or just really lucky) and I've always wanted to actually be able to do super well consistently, but I've never been quite sure how to go about it all. if you want to play, im guessing that you'll have to wait at least until Thursday, because I've got some horrible crap going on with school (2 essays due in the next 3 days, 1 worth 20% of my grade O_O. nasty junk).

LOL SpammerMar 23, 20151 votes

Champion SkinMar 22, 20151 votes

He is strong early... maybe... but before with his old passive he was a God early game

I Main SwainMar 23, 20151 votes

I cant be the only one who thinks his passive should proc on kills AND assists, right?

Champion SkinMar 23, 20151 votes

Maybe... though it would potentially make it a lot less easier to proc so it might then get nerfed

Well I am glad his old passive is gone... because darn was it so strong and a pain to play against... One hit with a spinning axe was like 30%-50% of your Hp with that darn strong DoT... and it even stacked if Draven got a Crit

I Main SwainMar 23, 20151 votes

I wish so badly I had been into him at that time :(

but think about it though. I cant think of any ability, item, or passive that procs on kills and doesn't proc on assists as well, even if only half as effective ( Rengar item 3041 item 3141 )

Champion SkinMar 23, 20151 votes

Veigar Q passive only triggers on kills (it gives Veigar between 1 and 5 AP depending on the rank of Q and only on champion kills)

I Main SwainMar 23, 20151 votes

that's not the kind of passive I'm referring to. I'm talking about passives that are champion specific. in other words, like how Katarina's abilities will have their cooldowns reduced on champion kill or assist. tristana's w will reset on champion kill or assist.

Champion SkinMar 23, 20151 votes

Yes... Veigar has a passive built into his Q ability Which say that Champion kills will increase his AP (doesn't matter what Veigar get the kill with as long as he gets the kill)

SaixosMar 22, 20152 votes

Quite honestly, I have to disagree. It's not that twitch isn't strong, it's that he doesn't fit with what is needed of an ADC at the moment. He's supposed to be an assassin/AOE ADC, but the meta doesn't really support that right now. 5.5 is the return of tanks, and twitch doesn't really like tanks. He also doesn't like bursty assassinish characters like LB or Graves. If the meta was to switch over to have less mobile/assassinish midlaners and less extremely tanky junglers, then I could predict he could make a comeback.

Champion SkinMar 22, 20153 votes

Twitch doesn't like burst and doesn't like tanks? So what does he like? AoE CC mages? Bruisers?

DrukyulMar 22, 20152 votes

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twitch doesn't really like tanks

I don't think the ADCs that regularly build BotRK and have true damage in their kit are the ones that have a problem with tanks.

It Hertz When IPMar 22, 20152 votes

It would help if his passive DoT wasn't shite. Literally, he would be a ton better if it didn't only deal piddling amounts of damage. That and/or make his W add additional stacks of poison for each level of it, instead of 2 across the board.

Iceborn PippinMar 23, 20152 votes

well lets see... Just to get this out of the way Zyra Release was a patch that happened in 2012 of July. It was also tied with Twitch's Rework for his kit. His Visual Update occurred in 2014 of April. So before Twitch got nerfed in Patch 4.10 but after the Zyra Release Patch, he was relatively untouched, getting QoL tweaks, for OVER 2 YEARS.

Now lets get a look at the damage done:

#1) Twitch's base damage was nerfed from 52 to 49.

#2) Twitch's Passive (Deadly Venom): Originally before his rework update (Zyra Release) was 2.5/5/7.5/10 then it got nerfed to 2/4/6/8 and then further nerfed to 1/2/3/4/5/6

#3) Twitch's Q (Ambush): Originally before his rework update (Zyra Release), there was another patch. The duration of his stealth was reduced to 10/20/30/40/50 seconds from 20/30/40/50/60. Then when his rework occurred and his stealth was reduced further to 4/5/6/7/8 seconds and +20% movespeed while stealthed.

THEN if that wasn't bad enough for his Q they go and nerf the stealth delay from 1.25 seconds to 1.5 seconds AND the stealth delay while taking damage went from 3 seconds to 6 seconds.

... ... ... ... ... ...

I could go on and on about the rest of his kit but lets just say that the actual buffs to his kit from the Zyra Release patch pales in comparison to how they nerfed him and keep nerfing him.

What bugs me so much is that I personally don't get RIOT. What do they want Twitch to do?

CrettMar 22, 20151 votes

Twitch becomes an absolute nightmare late game. His only weakness is that he relies on itemization even more than most other ADCs

Champion SkinMar 23, 20151 votes

He isn't even that good late game.. if his ult is on cooldown and it does have 100 seconds cooldown and Twitch rarely even builds much CDR...

CrettMar 23, 20151 votes

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He isn't even that good late game.. if his ult is on cooldown and it does have 100 seconds cooldown and Twitch rarely even builds much CDR...

I'm a Twitch main and I'm telling you if Twitch's lategame isn't one of the best of any champion, then that Twitch is building wrong BERSERKER'S GREAVES AND STATIKK SHIV ARE GARBAGE

I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE GARBAGE I'm just telling it like it is THEY'RE TRASH

Frosty HoodooMar 23, 20151 votes

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I'm a Twitch main and I'm telling you if Twitch's lategame isn't one of the best of any champion, then that Twitch is building wrong BERSERKER'S GREAVES AND STATIKK SHIV ARE GARBAGE

I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE GARBAGE I'm just telling it like it is THEY'RE TRASH

What do you suggest instead of Greaves? Most websites I see go "GREAVES GREAVES GREAVES"

CrettMar 23, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frosty Hoodoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eqd35bV4,comment-id=000e000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-23T01:55:56.144+0000)

What do you suggest instead of Greaves? Most websites I see go "GREAVES GREAVES GREAVES"

If you actually get the gold for it all, technically the most slot efficient ADC build in the game (for the most part) is this item 3031 item 3046 item 3035 item 3072

with this build, i have 100% crit chance, over 400 AD and 20% lifesteal i 2-3 shot people out of stealth and melt entire teams in about 2 seconds

it's not gold efficient, though, and that's why most ADCs don't build this way. Twitch NEEDS this kind of build, because he doesn't build for mid-game damage like statikk and greaves. he NEEDS late game dps