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undrline·12/16/2019, 10:56:48 PM·2 votes·839 views

The new Support items don't achieve their stated goals: to improve QoL and severely limit passive play.

item 3151 << crying First, let's start out with a bug that I've reported a couple of times. You can't add the Support items to a designated number slot in your saved item sets, nor can you look up the mission items within the client to see their tree or stats.

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  • Aggressive play gets you more AP/AD than other gold item counterparts. It does solve the stated goal regarding passive play.
  • QoL is debatable. It used to be the reason to take this would be more mana regen, and the different options it opened up in later play. Neither exist anymore.
  • This item does become more helpful in midgame than its execute minions counterparts. When you're no longer able to help with the farm because it gets destroyed too quickly, skirmishing and taking tower plates help you farm.
  • Suggestion: make the turret procs also work against inhibs.

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  • Being able to execute minions is huge! QoL wins for this. Not so much for passive play. Among the many things great about this, you don't have to remind the carry that you're not stealing their farm.
  • Another drawback against passive play ... if the Support can execute the cannon, the amount of posturing, and the likelihood of taking a trade over the siege is waaay smaller, reducing overall lane aggression.
  • In the last couple of days it's buggy, though. Minions won't always be executed, making me back off on tapping them even though I have charges. I can't tell if it's only at the second stage of the item mission or if that's just when I notice.
  • QoL takes a nosedive if you're finding yourself holding lane waiting for your team a lot.

Both paths take away choices we used to have for endgame items. Taking away choices isn't always a bad thing. I see Supports warding more now than they would have. I see people spending way less time in the shop; I know I do. But, I used to be more successful choosing Support items over upgrading right away. Now, getting my first item feels belaboured and I feel less effective for longer.

I'm sure I'm rehashing a topic that's been done many times, so I'm sorry if that's the case.  Feel free to merge this into another thread, if that's possible.
I have more to say for each, but I wanted to keep it relatively short to my biggest talking points.

3 Comments

undrline12/16/2019, 11:00:34 PM1 votes

This guy seems to be kind of a dufus, and I'm sure others have tested it so I would've seen something talk about it, but I would like to know if it works for two people in lane to take the support items and just switch off on who does the CS'ing when they hit the penalty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h892o1jFv2Q

Zyniya12/16/2019, 11:03:10 PM1 votes

I like the new items indeed you can't play passive I miss the Coin it's the ONLY thing I hate about the new items. Are you getting pushed under tower by the other team with their jg camping and you and your adc just wanna chill and farm under the tower that's fine but now you can't use the coin to get gold and be safe so you either risk it or go without and that's the whole point. Apparently supports were playing too safe.

Thresh Outta Fux12/17/2019, 12:00:37 AM1 votes

relic shield line needs HP restore back, and both need to not have their effect disappear late game. simple.