Ex Post From Reddit: Is there a reason why Yorick's Maiden AI is so bad?

Platonic Cat·Dec 6, 2017·1 votes·689 views

For all the ultimates in the game that summon an AI the player is able control said AI. The only two ults that summon, aside from Yorick's Maiden, off the top of my head are Ivern's Daisy and Annie's Tibbers. Both are responsive to what the player wants it to do. On the other hand the Maiden has such a terrible AI that is sporadic and unresponsive. Problems relating to the Maiden's AI:

The player has no control over it, movement or otherwise, via R.
The Maiden sometimes stops moving in the middle of a lane if she is just following you around and will no longer follow you again ever. She stays afk until an enemy aggros her.
Sometimes if you walk into a lane the Maiden will decide to just start AFK pushing the lane even if you leave the lane, leaving you with no ult to roam with...

Edit: Mordekaiser ult AI and dragon AI are better than the Maiden as well.

8 Comments

NaalithDec 6, 20173 votes

So as both a level 7 Yorick and Ivern player, I have to say that the Maiden looks like she has a PhD compared to Daisy. Daisy, even though you can MANUALLY CONTROL HER, will just randomly stop moving and attacking or start walking backwards and all kinds of stupid shit. The Maiden will actually usually do what I want her to do except for leave lane with me and roam, and sometimes focuses the wrong person, but overall is actually far better than Daisy which blows because Daisy needs to get 3 attacks for the knockup.

Dead flag bluesDec 6, 20171 votes

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So as both a level 7 Yorick and Ivern player, I have to say that the Maiden looks like she has a PhD compared to Daisy. Daisy, even though you can MANUALLY CONTROL HER, will just randomly stop moving and attacking or start walking backwards and all kinds of stupid shit. The Maiden will actually usually do what I want her to do except for leave lane with me and roam, and sometimes focuses the wrong person, but overall is actually far better than Daisy which blows because Daisy needs to get 3 attacks for the knockup.

Aah thank you, I thought I just didn't know how to control her because she kept randomly coming back to me while attacking an enemy

NaalithDec 6, 20172 votes

Yeah Riot decided to make Daisy a complete moron because it fits in with her thematic of being a rock.

Zero Skill TankDec 6, 20171 votes

As a Yorick player, I also find her quite smart compared to other pets. I guess that most stupid shit that pets do happens when they switch between AI-controled mode and accepting player commands, and maiden never does that.

Better JunglerDec 6, 20172 votes

I saw this answered during the Yorick rework patch a while back by a Riot member.

Where tibbers, daisy, and mordekaiser summons are meant to assist in combat, Yoricks ult is for lane pressure. It allows yorick to split push, while he roams or backs or whatever. Its used for lane pressure, not combat.

WeedbroDec 6, 20171 votes

the Maiden must have the same AI as daisy as they are both utterly retarded

ModWulf HelhammerDec 6, 20171 votes

The player has no control over it, movement or otherwise, via R.

That's on purpose.

The Maiden sometimes stops moving in the middle of a lane if she is just following you around and will no longer follow you again ever. She stays afk until an enemy aggros her.

If she isn't doing anything at all, that's a bug.

Sometimes if you walk into a lane the Maiden will decide to just start AFK pushing the lane even if you leave the lane, leaving you with no ult to roam with...

That's also on purpose. It's designed to just push down lanes. If you go into a lane, it will just start pushing down it, In fact, it used to be that it would just instantly move to a lane when you summoned it, but Riot added that it will follow you so long as you don't spend too much time in lane (for jungle Yorick)

Zero Skill TankDec 6, 20171 votes

The bug when she just freezes is the worst, you are left without ultimate until someone tries to push past her.

But that's a bug that will HOPEFULLY get fixed some day, and other than that, her AI is not bad at all. You don't get full control over her, but that's the point. Especially point 3 - she is supposed to act as a minion until you give her something more important to do.

This comes with cons, but also with pros: since she is a minion, towers won't aggro her over cannons, and she will not draw turret aggro on you (unless you quaffed corrupting potion). Same applies to mist walkers.