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The story of a Rengar main (my own personal opinion of what i think riot should do with Rengar)

Guiyoni··24 votes·2,201 views

So i think im one of many Rengar Mains that think this way and im not going to remain silent any longer: I started playing league in season 4 and when i started my main reason of playing league was to have fun playing the game. when i started i didnt know what role i wanted to main and my favourite champions were aatrox and draven. in the beginning of season 5 i decided i want to make my main role the jungle due to me enjoying it more then any other lane. in June of 2015 i have found my new main that i will allways love and remember as the most enjoyable time playing league of legends with, Rengar. when i just started playing rengar i was terrible at him, i didnt know how to use my e mid air, how to manage my ferocity, how to snowball the game or even the oneshot combo(yes there was a combo for oneshoting, its not just spamming ur abilities while mid air...) Im pretty sure i had a 30% win rate on him for around 50 games due to him being weak early and abusable until he gets items or if he snowballed the game. but i loved every second of playing him, i didnt care if i won or lost, i found the game enjoyable and it was the most fun i ever had with league. after around 100 games on him i decided that he is my main and that i wanted to know EVERYTHING there is to know about rengar. every combo, every strategy, everything. i finished season 5 in silver 4 and when season 6 started i really got into league in a more competitive side and played many ranked games and i ended up in Diamond 5 in the end of Season 6 with 275 games played as rengar and with a 57% win rate on him. even after his ult q and e nerfs i still played him because i found him fun.
but then it started, the meme that will destroy my enjoyment of playing the game that i love. the "Adc in 2k16 Lul" meme. this meme that was created by salty low elo players that made the league community ramp up against rengar and made everybody call him OP (cough 48% win rate cough),they didnt care that renagr had depth to his kit and he is very hard to master, all they cared about is that they are kogmaw that is 0\2\4 split pushing alone bot lane and a 12\1 rengar comes out of nowhere and oneshots them. they didnt care that he is fed AF or that they were out of position solo, no no no, its more like : OMFG HOW IS THIS CHAMPION EVEN ALLOWED TO BE IN THE GAME?!! after a few monthes of silver players spreading the meme the assassin rework was announced, and when i heard of it i was terrified... i didn't care if they changed his abilities, i just wanted riot to keep him an assasin and to maintain his theme and playstyle. when he first came up on the pbe i spammed games of him (yes i have a pbe account) and he felt amazing. he could get 1000 ad, could aoe oneshot and felt really fun. but it wasn't renagr that was fun, it was the fact that he was op that was fun. after they balanced him out i suddenly understood that it wasn't rengar that made the gameplay on the pbe fun, it was him being op. so after a few weeks of him being on the live servers, people understood the power of his kit and started building him as a bruiser due to his new passive and his new w. even tho i still play renagar, i dont enjoy him as much as i did playing the old one. i have 800k mastery on him and 690k is from 1 year and a half of playing the old one and 110k is from the new one that i have been playing for 9 monthes, so that shows you that i haven't been playing rengar much since the rework. I hope riot will understand that most of the Rengar main community does not like the current rengar and would like to get a response from riot about what are they going to do with him. i personally think that the old rengar was not broken, that fact that his q could crit was the strong aspect of him. in my opinion, if they made it so his q could not crit but increased its ad ratio so full ad rengar would be viable and not crit renagr, increased the ! range of his ult but increased the movespeed towards enemy champions and perhaps change it to camouflage instead of invisibility in order to give more counter play, and bring back the old ferocity system and bonetooth necklace,he would be in a good place for everyone, for the renagr player and they squishy against him. if riot refuses to revert renagr with a few changes (like they did to kogmaw recently) thats fine, but i hope they will rework him again in order to restore his assasiny theme and playstyle. I appreciate you all for reading till the end. Yoni Kup. (Guiyoni - EUNE)

22 Comments

FeAR THe Reηg08 votes

Same feelings and story bro. I hope Riot will do something for our beloved kitty. I real miss him and i havent fun with this one. Everything is in Riot's hands. Rengar Rengar

DrAlphaChad7 votes

Riot do something Rengar mains Die every day. You killed like 60%+ of them with the Rework. I know you can't reply to everything that we say, but please start working on the Rengar rework as soon as you finish with Urgot and Evelynn . At least mini Rework which brings his Hunter playstyle back. Rengar was the only REAL hunter in the game and you just took his core theme away from him and from us. Yea the first mounth was fun because its fun to play OP champ but even then Rengar mains didn't like the Rework. !IN MY OPINION! You shoud Revert his Q and W because now they make no sense in his kit as a hunter . If you didn't know we used to be one of the biggest comunitiyes in the game ,but USED to be.......Rengar item 3070

Rainfall1 votes

what rengar mains are asking for is impossible. 1.the old q,autoattack resets on assasins are unhealthy. 2.his old ult:unconditional engage on the enemy adx also unhealthy for the game.

TheJan1tor1 votes

{quoted}

what rengar mains are asking for is impossible. 1.the old q,autoattack resets on assasins are unhealthy.

False.

2.his old ult:unconditional engage on the enemy adx also unhealthy for the game.

You'll have to explain what you mean by "unconditional".
In my opinion, changing his Stealth to Camo and alerting enemies from a great distance when he's ulting was more than enough of a change. Reducing the vision utility was overkill.

Ze Noob Boob1 votes

get fukt %%%%%%, we got old Q back bitch ass

Prestige Jessica4 votes

I get you, new Rengar is an absolute abomination. Boring to play comparing to the old one because you are forced into one build: Bruiser. With old Rengar you had around 5 builds to use- Tank if you didn't want to die when being really really behind and still be useful. Bruiser if you wanted the best of two worlds. Assassin if you wanted to oneshot a carry before going into a teamfight. Crit for the same reasons of assassin, but some people felt it was more fun. And AP for the sexually confused. When the Rengar reworked was released you could go for only the bruiser build(just like now) but you could actually deal damage, now after countless nerfs you can only deal damage when playing assassin, which is NOT really a viable option as you pretty much lose 1 ability when using that build(empowered W, as it's basically useless for you). Now, you also had the fun of your old R when playing old Rengar, because it was an actually satisfying ability, you had vision of the entire enemy team(kind of, on level 3 ult) and you ran faster when you were facing an enemy champion, and after leaping you even got Ferocity. Now you just press R, have the same movement speed the entire time, have vision of 1 champion, and crit when you land on the closest champion, and not to mention they can see you if you get too close. This isn't satisfying AT ALL to use, because the crit doesn't even do anything big as enemy team can group, so you can only crit the tank. Also his new bonetooth necklace is a part of the dissatisfying gameplay. When playing old Rengar, when you got a certain amount of kills, you got a reward. And you needed 20 kills to complete it, that's a part of Rengar's snowballing, you kill, cool, you get more movement speed out of combat! You kill, cool, you get more range for your leap(which is HUGE.) now you just get bonus AD when killing a champion you didn't kill before in the game, which isn't so satisfying because as much as 20% is a lot, it's not so fun to play with and use. Not about his Q, it's a nice ability, it deals area damage, and it gives you a small dash. Now what's wrong about that comparing to old Rengar's Q? Old Rengar's Q was a real assassin ability, it was a single target auto attack modifier/reset and could crit as well, which is real fun comparing to new Rengar, however the new Q is 10 times better for jungling as it is area damage which is quite satisfying but not as much as one shotting a carry with a lucky crit(which is what some champions *cough Gangplank Xayah do!) Now his Q is plain boring with area damage and a little dash, nothing diverse. his W used to heal a flat amount scaling with levels, now it heals like Ekko's old ult(just without the scaling on it.), and his E remained unchanged as it was a bugfest, such as his E having no cooldown when playing old Rengar, for several patches even though Riot thought they fixed it, people kept the bug going. Now what I truly want is Rengar being satisfying and diverse again, and Riot does nothing about it even though most Rengar mains kind of quit him. Thanks for reading.

Warkinge2 votes

You did not got it.

We dont want old Q to one shot carrys, we want it cuz it feel smooth/good to use. The crit isn't that important for Rengar mains (At least that's what i see when i read all the Revert/Rework topics) They all suggest to take out the crit. If we hate this new Q it's because it does in no way fit both Rengar and Assassin gameplay. It's a 0.3 cast time ability. There is no other "Assassin" in the game that has 0.3 cast time on an abitlity. Other wise it's a good spell for a bruisery tanky gameplay. Sejuani got the exact same ability and it feels pretty well on her.

Also there are thousands bugs that are simply ignored. We play with a false range indicator. Wich means that if we want to use E mid air we must either guess when to use it in order to not lose the jump or wait and use it too late so it feels even more clunky than it is.

Random crit on the ult from nowhere. Sometimes it crit on a target that has not the mark sometimes it does not. None knows how it's working.

The fadetime of the ult. Some time you can jump rigth after pressing R sometimes you must wait 2 seconds sometimes it's 1 second. Some times you can jump while the Range indicator has not even pop.

Sometimes when you Q on the bush to use the Dash trick. Your aa does no damage for no reason.

If you try to jump max range to the nexus you will lose Camouflage and not jumping at all.

I'll not list all of them since it would take a lot of time. But what's even better is that they are fixing shadow bugs on random skins rather then fixing the gameplay bugs of Rengar. At least Rengar has more counterplay by handicaping him with both his spells (Lol 4000 range indicator hahaha cool idea) & false incators/bugs.

Very good game i guess.

TheJan1tor3 votes

As a former Rengar main, I'm getting real tired of these posts that offer virtually no analysis on the champion's former and current status and are composed almost entirely of "it was the enemy's fault for allowing Rengar to become fed" or "these salty low elo players shouldn't have made this decision" or making completely empty statements like "the old Rengar was perfectly healthy and was hard to master".
There was Nothing difficult about the old Rengar. You could pick him up, play him for a day, and be perfectly capable of performing any mechanic the champion was capable of. He was Not a mechanically challenging champion. Managing his Ferocity took absolutely no effort. The only thing that was Remotely challenging on the old Rengar was managing ferocity after leaving stealth where you were generating additional ferocity over time and may have lost count and accidentally used the wrong empowered ability.
He was a macro based champion. You make the right decisions and be in the right place at the right time -- you reap the benefits of it.

I miss the old Rengar as much as any other Rengar player, but we need to admit that the Old Rengar had a slew of problems that were addressed in the rework before we try to raise awareness and address Rengar's current problems. If we try to blame the problems the old Rengar had on those on the receiving end of the Old Rengar, it makes us sound ignorant and more often than not we lose credibility.

Warkinge2 votes

None said he was healthy. We given thousands of possiblitys to both this version and the old one. To both his old and his new Q. We dislike this new Q it's a fact. Majority of Rengar mains does not like it. We prefer the old version. That's it. They could have found a way to make it better for both Rengar players and Rengar opponents. By either removing the crit or make it a terget ability like all other assassins have such as Kha'zix, Talon, ...

You can say what you want but the only answers we got are: "Q: nice meme" and oh sorry nothing else it's not childish to say the truth and actually it's the truth. If Rengar is going up and down between 44 and 47% of winrate it's not for no Reason.

TheJan1tor1 votes

{quoted}

None said he was healthy.

Plenty of Rengar's have tried to argue that the Old Rengar was perfectly Healthy. This post isn't any better as they're trying to argue that Rengar was only a problem for "salty low elo players" which isn't true at all. He snowballed every bit as hard, and just because Masters+ players would know not to try to farm side waves alone against a big Rengar doesn't mean he was healthy and didn't need to be changed.

We given thousands of possiblitys to both this version and the old one. To both his old and his new Q. We dislike this new Q it's a fact. Majority of Rengar mains does not like it. We prefer the old version. That's it. They could have found a way to make it better for both Rengar players and Rengar opponents. By either removing the crit or make it a terget ability like all other assassins have such as Kha'zix, Talon, ...

I don't disagree. I've given my own analysis and suggestion regarding a re-reworked kit with a very simple solution to make both parties happy.

I'm just tired of the empty arguments from ignorant players who don't acknowledge that the Old Rengar was Extremely problematic, Had to be changed, and make no effort to meet in the middle. It's embarrassing.

TheThrillOfHunt3 votes

Let me stop you there, his being able to crit wasn't a problem, but let's face it, his ult was what made Rengar obnoxious to play against. It brought low counterplay and didn't give much information about what Rengar was about to do. Keeping his new ult but removing the free crit while reveting his would be perfect

DrAlphaChad2 votes

My story is that i really didn't like the game at first look and i started playing it because of my friends around patch 6.9(mage update) . I looked at a few champs and i saw Rengar and saw a cool champion. Watched some videos of him i and saw a fun champion to play . Then literally grind 3 days just to get 6300 to purchase him. My first games were AWFULL, but like Guiyoni i still had more fun with Old Rengar than current version. Yes im going to admit playing Release Rework Rengar was fun ,but only because he was OP. But then you nerfed him to the ground and Assasin was awful compare to bruiser. Now im really sad because you don't even CARE about us the top 5 biggest comunityes in the game. I see this every time Rengar gets fed on videos in Bronze/Silver The ADC that is like 0/3 goes to solofarm and the enemy team has 10/1 Rengar .And then they say there is nothing they can do and they complain because they don't have the brain to think that the Rengar is maybe coming for them when they are alone...... It really looks like old Rengar takes no skill But getting to that point where he takes no skill is very hard. You have to be Fed which was quite hard because his clear wasn't that good, he didn't realy have any gapcloser beside bushes and the Range was really small 600 ( 725 Current ) . Yes it was frustrating to play versus a good Rengar but isn't that for any champion really ? Rengars strenght was his Snowballing potential and if he didn't snowball he was Useless. He was High risk High Reward champion that everyone just forgets about when they stomp him .

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

can u put some form in ur text ?

Guiyoni1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ElyPcuXI,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-22T20:07:51.422+0000)

can u put some form in ur text ?

what do you mean by that?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

need more space between sentences. to give more readability

Guiyoni2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ElyPcuXI,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-06-24T05:09:46.052+0000)

need more space between sentences. to give more readability

oh sure. ill do it. thanks

Guiyoni1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ElyPcuXI,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-06-24T05:09:46.052+0000)

need more space between sentences. to give more readability

better now?

HYDN1 votes

I think riot changed rengar due to P1 Vs TSM where Inori played rengar and TSM couldn't do anything against it.

FeAR THe Reηg01 votes

I know.. Thats the reason Riot worked on Rengar... They dont care about this champion. :( :(

HYDN4 votes

I'm going to be honest and say they probably do care about Rengar as much as they did KogMaw when he was broken due to his last rework. I just think they haven't said anything about him because of all the childish remarks and threats that we all say to riot in the rengarmains sub. Look at every post dealing with his issue as a champion now. There is always at least one person that says something to riot that you would hear in a bronze 5 match. I just think we all need to grow up and make an attempt to interact with riot on the issue.

FeAR THe Reηg01 votes

Well.. You are right. I 1000% agree with you. But what exactly all we Rengar mains should do to discuss and see some posible solutions about Rengar rework. Rioters havent say anything about Rengar, and they seem like they like Rengar's current state. I realy dont know what everyone has to do to push Riot to work on Rengar. I am so dissapointed with how Rengar is now, and how they ''killed'' him. Most of Rengar mains want Riot to talk to them and most of them are serious people and not kids. I hope the best for our kitty and i hope Riot do something on him Rengar

TR0PHY Hunter1 votes

It's the same for me, started in S4 now i'm Diamond rengar otp and i really don't like this rework, my life is so sad now, the old his in my heart, miss you

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