So why hasn't YASUO been Nerf-ed yet?

solustein··18 votes·3,753 views

So, can someone explain to me why this champion has not been nerfed yet? Everyone's argument is that he is fun and provides a unique game style.......Only reason he is fun is because he has no mana to manage so he can just spam his abilities, over,over and over again. Owe and lets not forget the "free" shield that can absorb 50-75% of his HP, that also costs nothing to gain or use. its a passive ability, someone provide a legit counter-argument that would logically show how this champion has not been nerf-batted into oblivion yet.

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Bladerunners5 votes

Yas is by far NOT balanced. I'll admit when i fuck up and lose because of superior skill on the opponents side. If i outlane the person and have 2 kills on his jungler and he has NO kills and he can still easily kill me 1v1 when im playing say ekko or even as riven? thats not superior skill thats a broken champ. Yas has almost no cd even in early game. he can easily spam his q to clear lane and hit you as well, his shield blocks an insane amount of dmg and because its a passive he has it almost all the time. this doesnt even take into account the fact that he has a wall that blocks a large majority of stuns,roots and slows in the game. He also becomes insanely hard to hit with your own abilities that arnt blocked because of his mobility and speed. lets put that all aside and look at some other things. his q gets cd reduction from attack speed ( thats broken as fuck btw) he crits constantly (even with the loss of most of the crit dmg thats broken) his ulty has one, if not THE lowest cd in game and its a cc ult ( again broken). So we have a champ that crits nearly constantly, has 3 dashes all with dmg and a knockup in the combo, which can be used every 4-5 seconds, a wall that blocks all projectiles and a low cd mid lvl dmg ult that does cc....and lets not forget that all of those abilities can hit multiple targets. If you can read all of that and come up with a counter argument as to how this is not a broken champ ill eat my high heels...because you CANT. Its not possible, unless you happen to be a yas loving deluded shit. Playing better than other people and playing a broken champ are two different things. I have zero respect for people that play yas and then try and pretend their good. No it wasnt your skill, its the champ. He is literally in the top 2 of the easiest and most bs champs to use.

NemeBro3 votes

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Yas is by far NOT balanced. I'll admit when i fuck up and lose because of superior skill on the opponents side. If i outlane the person and have 2 kills on his jungler and he has NO kills and he can still easily kill me 1v1 when im playing say ekko or even as riven?

If you have two kills on Yasuo and he solo kills you in lane you're playing poorly.

Chewedon2 votes

If you have two kills on Yasuo and he solo kills you in lane you're playing poorly.

Or it just shows how broken the champ is?

Just like another broken champ Illaoi who feeds 1/6 and still can win in a fight against a 5/0 Riven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmDt9IYxgTU

NemeBro2 votes

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Or it just shows how broken the champ is?

Just like another broken champ Illaoi who feeds 1/6 and still can win in a fight against a 5/0 Riven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmDt9IYxgTU

No, you're just playing poorly.

Chewedon2 votes

No, you're just the typical person who doesn't have a counter argument and resorts to lame cop-out insults.

NemeBro1 votes

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No, you're just the typical person who doesn't have a counter argument and resorts to lame cop-out insults.

Counter argument? To what? You making unsubstantiated claims fueled by nothing but your own biases?

Yasuo is rarely overpowered, isn't overpowered now, and probably won't be for a while. Deal with it. =)

Chewedon2 votes

Yasuo is rarely overpowered, isn't overpowered now, and probably won't be for a while. Deal with it. =)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLLDYWCIHs&t=1165s

Faker often praised as one of the world's best, if not THE best player, can't even kill Yasuo once in a 1v1 matchup for the first 15 minutes in this above video.

Just to pluck an example from the above video to demonstrate Yasuo's overloaded kit Riot gave him, If you scroll to 14:57 and start watching the next 30 seconds, you'll see a blinking red Yasuo outliving the 3 man gank purely because of his kit.

Rarely overpowered, isn't overpowered ?

Try again.

You making unsubstantiated claims fueled by nothing but your own biases?

Unsubstantiated claims? LoL. Read through my other posts in this thread about the pros and cons of Yasuo which I've highlighted why I believe he's broken.

I've been giving constructive reasoning why I believe he's broken but you on the other hand have only been throwing insults around with no constructive counter arguments to add to the discussion.

The only one making unsubstantiated claims fueled by nothing but his own biases is you when you outright claim others are playing poorly, and that is what we call an internet troll, someone who post inflammatory messages to anger others.

Taste of your own medicine - Nah u wrong n u lost argument bad bruh, deal wif it =)

NemeBro1 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLLDYWCIHs&t=1165s

Faker often praised as one of the world's best, if not THE best player, can't even kill Yasuo once in a 1v1 matchup for the first 15 minutes in this above video.

"Faker couldn't kill this high elo Yasuo player 1v1, so he's overpowered."

Lmao nice reasoning kid.

Just to pluck an example from the above video to demonstrate Yasuo's overloaded kit Riot gave him, If you scroll to 14:57 and start watching the next 30 seconds, you'll see a blinking red Yasuo outliving the 3 man gank purely because of his kit.

I wonder if his jungler showing up and it being under his turret could have contributed to it. Maybe Nami hitting her ult and forcing him to either waste wind wall on it or die might have helped too.

Rarely overpowered, isn't overpowered ?

Try again.

Rarely indeed, though interestingly enough you linked a season six (LOL) video, and judging by that timeframe and what Yasuo was building that was one of the few times he has been overpowered, and indeed he was nerfed for it.

So yes, rarely, but yes it has happened, like I acknowledged. Good job cherrypicking a video of one of the few times he was though. I bet it makes you feel so smart. =)

Unsubstantiated claims? LoL. Read through my other posts in this thread about the pros and cons of Yasuo which I've highlighted why I believe he's broken.

The ramblings of a formerly bronze OCE player aren't compelling enough reading for me to bother my friend.

I've been giving constructive reasoning why I believe he's broken but you on the other hand have only been throwing insults around with no constructive counter arguments to add to the discussion.

No you haven't, you're just a mad young man.

The only one making unsubstantiated claims fueled by nothing but his own biases is you when you outright claim others are playing poorly, and that is what we call an internet troll, someone who post inflammatory messages to anger others.

Are you implying that you're mad?

I'm sorry I upset you.

Oh, and statistically, at every level of play except very low elo, Yasuo isn't overpowered, and Riot won't be nerfing him. I'm sorry if this hurts you emotionally.

Taste of your own medicine - Nah u wrong n u lost argument bad bruh, deal wif it =)

I won the argument while barely playing.

Chewedon2 votes

"Faker couldn't kill this high elo Yasuo player 1v1, so he's overpowered."

I wonder if his jungler showing up and it being under his turret could have contributed to it. Maybe Nami hitting her ult and forcing him to either waste wind wall on it or die might have helped too.

No.

Faker + 2 other full health team member having a hard time killing a Yasuo with blinking red health and the Yasuo still not dying signals a serious problem with the champion.

Nami used her ult, Twisted Fate tried to gank too, and lastly, Faker had one last opportunity to get Yasuo at 15:23, but Yasuo still manage to dash past him and live due to his kit, low cool down dashes + free Janna shield, wind wall etc. His wind wall especially, when it completely blocked all of Nami and Twisted Fate's spells and auto attacks.

Had he not had all these useful utilities, he would have died 10 times over in the first 15 minutes.

And if you bothered watching the first 15 minutes of the video, you will see Yasuo constantly shoving the Fiora under tower. It sure as hell doesn't look like Faker was on equal grounds with the Yasuo.

Resorting to verbal insults again aye?

I don't know who's the kid here, maybe you should check in the mirror, might find him there.

Lmao nice reasoning kid.

Oh okay, so normal player with 2 kills ahead of Yasuo gets killed "easily" by Yasuo in a 1v1 = you're just playing poorly.

Faker level getting shoved hard for a full 15 minutes not being able to kill a blinking red Yasuo with help of 2 other top tier high elo Korean team members after multiple attempts = nah he's not broken, maybe if such and such did this and this

When you see a feeding Yasuo 1v5 and carrying the game to victory, he's next answer will probably be "nah, the other team is just having a bad day, Yasuo isn't broken".

I'll return your statement back to you, lmao nice reasoning kid.

Rarely indeed, though interestingly enough you linked a season six (LOL) video, and judging by that timeframe and what Yasuo was building that was one of the few times he has been overpowered, and indeed he was nerfed for it.

So yes, rarely, but yes it has happened, like I acknowledged. Good job cherrypicking a video of one of the few times he was though. I bet it makes you feel so smart. =)

LMAO, sad, sad person you are.

When someone gives examples to back up their reasoning, the guy with no constructive counter arguments resorting to insults again and again.

Trying to down play and discredit the examples and reasoning given or should I say, brush the evidence under the rug tactic aye? Well played, well played.

Tell me what did they change about Yasuo between Season 6 and now?

He still have his tornado, wind wall, infinite dashes, unlimited mana, low cool downs, abundance of gap closers and insane crit damage.

The ramblings of a formerly bronze OCE player aren't compelling enough reading for me to bother my friend.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=NemeBro

LMAO!

This whole time, the guy who is mocking bronze rank is talking like he's somehow leaps and bounds better, turns out to be only a silver rank player.

Surprisingly, you are playing Brokesuo and you are only at silver rank?

The first time I played rank solo que in 2012 to test the waters in the provisional 10 games, I was already gold rank love and I didn't even need Brokesuo to help me get there. I stopped after testing the provisional 10 rank games and my ranking naturally just drop to Bronze due to inactivity. Brokesuo wasn't even released at that time.

https://lolprofile.net/summoner/na/NemeBro#Summary

Some of your most played champs are Yasuo, Tryndamere and Right Click Yi. That's a tell tale sign there ahahaha.

Your typical player who mains troll champs is too afraid if Riot were to fix their brokeness, he won't be able to do his pew-pew tons of damage and flash his mastery flag like he's pro when it is in fact his overloaded champion kit giving him easy wins, thus he's trying his very best to stay in denial.

Just like someone else mentioned in this thread, I quote:

If Yasuo gets nerfed I'd imagine a good majority of those players would kick and scream until he got overbuffed.

I tried Tryndamere a few games myself, and I was destroying people left and right because of how easy that champ is to win.

No you haven't, you're just a mad young man.

Translation = this sad person covering up his ears and saying "la la la".

Are you implying that you're mad?

I'm sorry I upset you.

Oh, and statistically, at every level of play except very low elo, Yasuo isn't overpowered, and Riot won't be nerfing him. I'm sorry if this hurts you emotionally.

LMAO, I'm not the guy playing broken clown champs just to climb to silver rank and then tries to mock bronze rank like he's so much better.

The one who's upset and emotionally hurt is the guy who has no argument worth its weight and resorting to insults, down playing and attempting to discredit someone else.

I won the argument while barely playing.

You won the argument? You never had one, let alone win it.

All you've basically said in this thread are:

  • You're just playing poorly
  • You're bronze
  • You're mad

Your posts are just insults and staying in denial, for fear of losing your broken champs. You have yet to bring to the discussion any reasoning why Yasuo is not broken based on his kit.

Covering up your years and staying in denial is not how a debate works love.

LMAO, try again.

Chewedon5 votes

I agree, this champ has been out how many years now? 4 years?

It's 2018, why hasn't Riot nerf Brokesuo yet?

Yasuo pros:

  1. Doesn't use mana/infinite mana with low cool down spells.
  2. Two passives, free Janna shield and double crit.
  3. Low cool down Q poke, fast long range AOE tornado stun knockup, can be used as gap closer and escape tool.
  4. Wind wall, blocks 90% of attacks, stuns, roots, spells in the game.
  5. Infinite dashes on low cool down where as 99% of other champs only gets 1 dash. Gap closer and/or escape tool.
  6. AOE stun burst damage and gap closer with 15 seconds of armor penetration.

Yasuo cons:

  1. Melee kinda melee.
  2. Squishy not. The free Janna barrier makes him feel like hitting an Amumu.
  3. None.

Changes to make Yasuo killable & fair:

  1. Change to use mana so he can't keep spamming his spells without repercussion.
  2. One passive (just like 99% of other champions), either free Janna shield or double crit.
  3. Wind wall should behave like Sivir's barrier, only blocks the first spell then ends.
  4. One dash (just like 99% of other champions). If he misused his dash, he can be punished for it.

At the moment, this champion is way too forgiving even if you make a mistake with him.

He has mobility of an assassin, tankiness of a bruiser, damage of an adc and AOE crowd controlling spells of a support. Four roles rolled into one champion...that doesn't use mana with very low cool downs.

Leblanc is a very good example of a high skill cap champ with high damage but still remain killable.

Come on Riot, it's 2018. Nerf Brokesuo according to the above list already to make him fair and killable, it's way overdue.

62021319DEL14 votes

A good portion of League players play Yasuo.

The last time Yasuo was disabled it took forever just to get into champ select because all of those Yasuo players didn't even want to hop on because they couldn't play their champ and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Riot even half assed the fix just so people would start playing again.

If Yasuo gets nerfed I'd imagine a good majority of those players would kick and scream until he got overbuffed.

solustein9 votes

good, let them scream. this guy isnt a balanced champ imo, its his damage doesnt make sense. The alternative is to cater to a bunch of kids who complain, then again maybe thats riots plan. since kids got the cash to spend.

Nanners Princess4 votes

I've been wondering this also. He doesn't even need to be fed to carry. It's a little ridiculous. They are too busy reworking champions that didn't need a rework like Irelia to fix champions that are already broken. I love when people who play Yasuo claim to be pros. Same with Yi. I play Yi for the first time and got kills with him on an alt account that is unimaginable. Maybe 15/2? Just a Q and you can win easily.

ModDaenrysTargaryen3 votes

i do not play yas as he is a easy champ in my opinion whenever i played him for free... but while when he is ahead he is hard to beat, its easy to play around him in the begining... not as the laner against him but as a jungler or an adc., you can not get caught in his dash range though, also this is just my experience and for me he is easy to battle, not all people will feel the same

solustein4 votes

he is a very slippery champion, im not a pro player but i dont think im a bad laner. I will admit to my enemy that he out-played me and congratulate him at the end of the match. But yasuo just doesn't have as many punishments for mistakes, he is very forgiving in that regard and thats why i feel he is unfair/unbalanced.

TehNACHO2 votes

he can just spam his abilities, over,over and over again

If a Yasuo actually does this, he's vulnerable and easy to kill with the least amount of coordinaiton with your Jungler

Owe and lets not forget the "free" shield that can absorb 50-75% of his HP

You should really be a vacuum salesman.

solustein5 votes

i like how you glossed over the fact that it requires 2 to kill 1 yas :)

TehNACHO2 votes

Between 2 equally skilled players, that is typically the case?

solustein2 votes

you are playing league, finding 2 equally skilled players is nearly impossible. More often then not you are on your own, ive been plat twice so far. im not talking out my azz, this guy isnt a fun lane opponent and nore is he a interesting fight. He dashes all over the lane hitting you then running away again, over and over again. unless you got some way of keeping him in place to punish him ( assuming you can pop his shield first) then you can get an equal trade. other then that, good luck :).

TehNACHO2 votes

But that is not how we balance the game, assuming that the champions in quesiton are run by players of uncomparable skill. Your argument can apply to virtually every champion in the game at that point if we just automatically assume one player is more skilled than the other, ultimately leaving your Yasuo argument pointless.

AR URF1 votes

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i like how you glossed over the fact that it requires 2 to kill 1 yas :)

Wrong. Yasuo specializes in killing ADCs. Whenever I play him against Ryze I lose because of that point and click root.

Chewedon1 votes

Yasuo doesn't just kill ADCs easily. He kills a lot of champs easily.

AR URF1 votes

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Yasuo doesn't just kill ADCs easily. He kills a lot of champs easily.

Yes because he was DESIGNED to do that. Just like MasterYi Tryndamere Vayne and many more.

Chewedon1 votes

Yi only becomes right click Yi when he gets fed, Yasuo doesn't need to be fed and he still snowballs hard. Master Yi doesn't shove you so hard in 1v1 lane that you can't even farm. Most Yi I see are junglers, poor in a 1v1 early game, hell even Jarvan or Renekton can kill him early on in a 1v1 lane match up.

Tryndamere is a troll champ made in honor of the two Riot Cofounder, that I understand. Ryze is the other one, though he's not really troll champ.

Vayne is killable early game in a 1v1 match up against other ADCs like Varus. She can't block your cc spells for extended duration, she only has one dash, and she uses mana. So she's fair and by no means broken.

If you want to talk about design, it's a basic melee fighter vs ranged fighter scenario. A melee fighter pro is strong damage but his con is restricted to close range combat. A ranged fighter pro is range but his con is being very squishy. That is balance.

As I said in another post Yasuo has four roles (assassin, fighter, adc and support) rolled into one champion. He's given way too much useful utilities. He's not restricted to close range combat, he has abilities which doesn't cost any mana, on low cool down and closes the gap on you faster than you can escape. That is an imbalance in design.

I agree, he is OVER DESIGNED to do that.

Chewedon1 votes

If a Yasuo actually does this, he's vulnerable and easy to kill with the least amount of coordinaiton with your Jungler

Vunerable, ha!

Want to throw your cc spells at him? Wind wall. flashes mastery flag

Want to dash in to gank him? Dash-dash-dash-flash away.

Also, let's not pretend Yasuo doesn't have a jungler of his own to gank YOU in return, as if you hadn't had enough trouble with him already.

Who's the vacuum salesman here?

Ediarai2 votes

To be fair, Yasuo is bad right now when there are things such as control mages, cho+mao+sej etc. that are very much in meta right now. Oh also, there's coordination. He's just easy to play in low elo because people don't know how to deal with him. Also, if a mage knows and understands that when Yasuo hits level 2, they have to back the heck away then Yasuo won't have the kill to snowball out of control. If they continue to play smart it's pretty easy.

Chewedon1 votes

So basically surrender all your cs gold and let him free farm?

Or waste all your mana farming cs, and end up with no stuns/root/escape tool, he just lands one tornado, dives you when minion is shoved under your turret.

Same result, he still snowballs.

How is he "bad". He isn't any less bad than a Miss Fortune, Pantheon or Irelia. If he's "bad", that would make 90% of champs very bad.

If you mean "bad" based on his win rate, then win rate is not a representation of whether he's good or bad in a 1v1 lane matchup. It's a representation of a 5 v 5 team game where Yasuo is part of the team. He could be owning the lane hard but the rest of his team and other lanes keep losing their match up, thus giving him a low win rate (if ever).

Mordepool2 votes

Yasou did receive nerfs. And is in a shitty balanced place ATM. Hate the guy but he isn't as overbearing as he once was. Maybe you just don't know how to fight him

Chewedon2 votes

I must have missed these changes. Care to elaborate on what these so called "nerfs" are?

I found this one while searching the web: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/UtPU4kz1-patch-72-and-the-nerf-to-yasuo

They reduce the damage a bit, then they add AD scaling. So subtract damage then add damage back = no nerf basically.

Mordepool3 votes

7 months later? Really. Do something with your life man

VvVVvV1 votes

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7 months later? Really. Do something with your life man

LMAO

Chewedon1 votes

With no counter argument, they resort to insults. Mmmm, typical.

7 months later? This champ has been out for 4 years and still no nerf. Really?

Mordepool1 votes

Your simply not worth my time.

Chewedon1 votes

Wow man, your time must be very precious and everyone else is trash yeah?

Very condescending attitude to have.

Thank you for proving my point.

Mordepool1 votes

If you looked at the original time stamp of my 1 st comment you will note that 7 months have passed since I posted that. If you're too dense to notice the meta has changed dramatically since then. So no I will not be devoting any time to debate something over half a year old. With someone with that same amount of maturity.

Chewedon1 votes

Lol, and my point competely flew over your head.

Meta change doesn't mean Yasuo is any weaker, 7 months on or 4 years on, he is still the lane bully as well as team fight monster he always has been. It isn't like they reworked his champ like Warwick, Swain, Fiora or Irelia. Meta change means jack in Yasuo's case.

Maybe you just don't know how to fight him

Translation = I'm right, everybody else must be dumb don't know how to play the game and wrong.

That sure as hell sounds mature buddy.

A Nunu1 votes

... The fuck?

DragonKnightX121 votes

Yasuo is kind of like a melee ADC , a lot of his damage comes from auto-attacks, but he is also very squishy like one too. If he doesn't get fed he won't be much of a problem. The best way to counter him is to pick champs with high burst like Akali or Fizz, or pick a mage that has aoe and target spells like Malz.

Chewedon2 votes

He is not squishy, he's more tanky than a Miss Fortune due to his free Janna barrier, on low cool down without costing any mana.

He doesn't need to be fed to be lot of problem. I've seen so many games where one team is winning hard but an enemy Yasuo carries the whole losing team to victory.

You don't get to pick champ against him when you play Normal Blind picks. If your next counter argument is "blind pick is not worthy of consideration" that's just a lame cop-out excuse and an implicit way of saying "I've got no answer for that".

Bobloser35551 votes

IMO he is over the top in late game because he can 1v5 sometimes, especially with the new ad items he is a bit weaker early but too strong late game, this is just my subjective feeling about him so I might be wrong.

Unfortunately I read he will be buffed :( wtf

qfleef1 votes

If they got rid of yasuo and balanced him, I wouldnt be able to call him a main anymore. For the sake of my account, I really think yasuo should not be nerfed or tweaked.summoner 4

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