Swain is soooooooo bad

5347713173·Feb 7, 2018·11 votes·3,923 views

RIP Swain being even remortely fun to play. Rework is shit. Total trash. Hes weak, his abilities are trash and dont work half the time, and hes unoriginal (vlad clone)

GFY Riot

14 Comments

AGUGUSFeb 7, 20188 votes

Thank you.. I feel the same.. I have been a swain main for almost 3 years, im not afraid to changes, but when there is a change it has to be good. In this case this new swain is so un-champion.. His W Swain is just imposible to land it in an enemy, in 6 games i havent landed a W in an enemy. Also why the hell do i need souls to land my ult???? doesnt make any sense. No souls = no ult because his W is slow and cant even been landed so ====== no ult......sorry for my english

DevinatiolFeb 11, 20181 votes

Like if his W was good for vision then that would be one thing but it really isnt, it has such a long cd and very little vision range, I wish it sent a raven to act as a ward for a short time, then did Beatrice's old laser or something to siphon health when spotted then flew back to swain to heal him for the damage dealt, that way he could at least have a role as a counter jungler mid laner

5347713173Feb 7, 20185 votes

For any dipshits that thought this was open for debate, heres the recent Swain history of players Diamond and above, professional players, and literally everoyne is doing awful on him.

You cannot ult when you want/need, you cannot land his W without landing another skillshot first, so 2 in a row.

Time to protest my sudden hatred for the game by not playing anymore. There are so many games to play right now, id rather just walk away from this game all together than deal with this continual re-work trash.

https://ibb.co/hMUWbH

ModCaliCoastReplayFeb 8, 20183 votes

I am a mastery-7 old Swain and this new one is not the same guy, for sure. He does feel weak compared to the old version. I think the constant chorus of fighter complaints about old Swain tilted Riot into nerfing this new version into pieces. I actually feel he's close to being good, if you're clever, but he definitely needs something - his R cooldown reduced back down, his W animation time lessened, and/or his spell damage buffed versus minions would be my candidates for improvement.

His lane phase isn't the worst if you can hit E and his passive proc all the time but it doesn't translate into teamfight power on a won lane like it used to. He's way worse at fighting multiple champions now, even with his ult up. His Q-mana-passive is stupid hard to use to regenerate mana early in the game, and late it's okay but hardly matters. He generally either needs better waveclear, or more reliable teamfighting power to make up for his glacial cooldowns on everything but a max rank Q.

SpK BallpitFeb 7, 20182 votes

Are you guys positive that your not just upset about change because i just played him and he is absolutely gross. He feels super clean and is overall fun to play in my opinion. to each there own I guess. For example: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2713166667/43082224

NubNoobNewbieFeb 16, 20181 votes

pretty sure he's quite weak if behind... not sure what's going on with that match history tho..

5050BSFeb 7, 20182 votes

I feel they need to tweak him just a bit more and he will be good.

P: Needs not have a CD

Q needs to scale up damage a bit more

W needs to show more area and pop faster.

E: Is fine if passive is fixed.

R: Needs to heal more

URGODHEARTSYOUFeb 7, 20182 votes

Not only does the ult need to heal more it needs to be poppable without the healing threshold. In a 1v1 match it is about 5 seconds before you can pop ult. If they have high damage output the 30-50 you are healing is insufficient and you die before you can do damage. You can't even try to take them with you.

Your Fuzzy LordFeb 16, 20181 votes

P: Maybe lower the CD and for allies and always pull when his E hits an enemy champion

Q: Good already, just needs a number adjust

W: maybe add a slow to the circle as it prepares to detonate, like a Jhin trap

E: Agree

R: Maybe it can heal for a larger percentage throughout the ult duration based on how many souls he has when he casts the ult and drop the burst heal at the end. That way he feels like he should while ulting and you can justify the buff to the healing by removing the burst heal.

SpK BallpitFeb 8, 20182 votes

We also need to look at the fact that:

Hes new so things are going to need tweaking
People playing him are playing what is essentially a new champion

NecrowBastienJun 13, 20181 votes

Swain was my main for 4 years ! This rework is just a shame… R.I.P Swain

AlexisTheDragonApr 16, 20191 votes

God I keep trying him in every single way, I wreck and climb on all my other heroes, nothign I do work.

Ap tank swain - garbage. Full ap swain - garbage. Full tank swain - garbage. Ad lethal tempo botrk/DD lifesteal swain - garbage lol.

Nooooothing fucking works lol, he's sooooooo fucking useless, I can't do ANYTHING on him, nothing you do works except supporting and being a glorified right clicker when OTHER peoplee cc and actually make a difference, you just make that a little bit better.

5050BSApr 16, 20191 votes

Why necro a post? Just post a new one ffs

5050BSApr 16, 20191 votes

So they TOTALLY missed out on Soul Shard uses.

What they SHOULD have done is made all of his Abilities have some scaling off the number of Soul Shards he has.

This is how I WOULD LOVE for him to be

fyi is kit is not bad its just weak.

Passive: Swain gains a Soul Shard from Immobilized enemies or enemies he hits with W (no longer has the pull part and is automatic)

Q: If Swain has 3+ Soul Shards the damage always Pierces targets and the mana gained for killing a target is doubled. This cost Swain a Soul Shard.

W: If Swain has 3+ Soul Shards the cast delay is 50% and the slow is increased by 10%. This cost him a Soul Shard.

E: Rooted targets are pulled toward swain (like his Old Passive). If Swain has 3+ Soul Shards the range and speed of E is +25%, this cost him a soul shard

R: For each soul shard Swain has increases the healing and damage of his Ult by 5%, If he has 3+ Soul Shards when he explodes targets hit are slowed by 30%