with that immobile mage update, could you redo the base ms of everyone?

IS1E531E3F964193·2/16/2016, 3:14:15 PM·169 votes·5,640 views

clearly some champions deserve higher/lower base ms then others, for example leblanc having 335 base ms when she has 2 dashes whereas zyra has 325 base ms with no mobility whatsoever.

then of course there is lee sin who I don't even have to explain as everybody pretty much knows it by now.

giving a champion a dash is fine if it comes at the cost of base ms, it's annoying enough to have a champion dash/blink through a wall but for them to also have higher then average base ms just makes it unfair.

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Abyssphere2/16/2016, 5:52:08 PM53 votes

There's more to MS than just whether or not someone has a dash, really. LeBlanc is more mobile than Zyra simply by virtue of her kit, but she does need to use her W to damage people - it's not just to escape. If she could never get in range for an offensive W because everyone outran her, she'd have problems. Zyra doesn't need to worry about stuff like that because she has range.

I'm not going to go into the MS of every champion obviously but I do agree that no matter what you say, Zyra gets a raw deal. Before the release of Azir I would have been ok with her MS, but Azir being essentially a mobile Zyra has thrown that out of the window. It's not ok for them to have the same strengths and the same MS, but Azir has a dash and Zyra doesn't. That's more down to Azir being retardedly designed than Zyra being poorly designed but still. It's an injustice.

Andrionar2/16/2016, 5:29:34 PM17 votes

It's all about whole champion kit. If champion has a dash, it doesn't mean that he would be ok without extra MS. Actualy I don't have any example and it's only how it should work in theory.

P.S I would agree that lee Sin has way to much MS, even if I like playing him.

Ionian2/16/2016, 6:02:38 PM9 votes

I agree, Ahri is all about kiting so she needs a base ms of at least 350 :^)

Sahn Uzal2/16/2016, 5:33:47 PM3 votes

I know Zyra has a low base MS because she has a very long ranged damage output. And 2 hard crowdcontrol spells to keep people away from her. She also doesn't need to stand still for the plants to attack. summoner 31

WiegrafOfValor2/16/2016, 6:13:53 PM3 votes

I would like that..

335 MS [SLOWEST] - Chogath Rammus Malphite Nasus Nautilus Trundle Gnar * [MEGA] 350 MS [SLOW] - Alistar Sion Nunu Tryndamere Gangplank LeeSin Rumble Mordekaiser Yorick Volibear Darius Yasuo Lissandra TahmKench Kalista Illaoi Skarner Swain Singed Jhin Leblanc Amumu DrMundo Maokai Renekton Riven Sejuani Vayne 360 MS [DEFAULT] - Aatrox Ahri Anivia Annie Ashe Azir Blitzcrank Braum Corki Diana Draven Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Fiora Fizz Galio Garen Gnar Gragas Graves Heimerdinger Irelia Janna JarvanIV Jax Jayce Jinx Karma Karthus Kassadin Katarina Kayle Kindred KogMaw Leona Lucian Lulu Lux Malzahar MissFortune Morgana Nami Nidalee Nocturne Olaf Orianna Poppy Quinn RekSai Rengar Ryze Shaco Shen Shyvana Sona Syndra Talon Taric Teemo Thresh Tristana Urgot Varus Veigar Velkoz Viktor Vladimir MonkeyKing Xerath Zac Zed Ziggs Zilean Zyra 385 MS [FAST] - Kennen Khazix Warwick TwistedFate Soraka Caitlyn Twitch XinZhao MasterYi Hecarim Cassiopeia 405 MS [FASTEST] - Udyr Pantheon Bard Sivir