"Placements now have less effect on your seeding" ... BULL!!!

Wrennardx·Jan 22, 2015·125 votes·29,708 views

After reading Riot's "Seeding" post it was suggested that placement matches have so less of an effect on our new ranked division placement and established players will tend to stick around in the same area. Can you please explain how I go from Plat 1 for a good portion of last year and yet find myself in SILVER III (3) now? Come on, wtf is the point here? I ended up in literally 6 games of intentional feeding, raging, afking and constant trolling. Pushed through all of it cause it was stated by Riot that placements aren't nearly as important as previous seasons. I'm not trying to go all emo and complain here, but this is pretty stupid. I didn't forget how to play as I was doing my placements but now I've got to play 100+ games just to get back to where I was last year.

Add to that the fact that my MMR is so high my point gain is minimal... this is foolish. If you're going to change a system that's cool, if you leave it the same that's fine... but for gods' sake don't tell me it's a new system then crush me over the head with the old one.

327 Comments

HgoE3zTRnmJan 22, 201564 votes

I literally went 8-2 to be bronze V with 0 points....

I guess you could say it was

puts shades on

...pointless

TwëekJan 22, 201528 votes

Looking at your lolking matches is pretty staggering. The elo swing that happens across your 10 games is just absurd. In your first game you're playing with mostly high golds/low plats, and then after your bad luck streak you're getting matched with low silvers. You're dropping like 100 elo for every loss.

"Placements won't affect you as much" my ass. This is ridiculous.

WrennardxJan 22, 201511 votes

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Looking at your lolking matches is pretty staggering. The elo swing that happens across your 10 games is just absurd. In your first game you're playing with mostly high golds/low plats, and then after your bad luck streak you're getting matched with low silvers. You're dropping like 100 elo for every loss.

"Placements won't affect you as much" my ass. This is ridiculous.

Thank you, this is 100% my point.

VertexRoseJan 22, 201517 votes

For season 4 I got dropped from Plat 4 to Silver 3, took me exactly 94(52W-42L) Games to get back into Plat. If your MMR gain is high you can easily gain +30 pts per game. This is exactly how it worked last season.

WrennardxJan 22, 201525 votes

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For season 4 I got dropped from Plat 4 to Silver 3, took me exactly 94(52W-42L) Games to get back into Plat. If your MMR gain is high you can easily gain +30 pts per game. This is exactly how it worked last season.

Sweet, i'll just play 100 games cause my placements were jacked up by trolls and afks.. .which is the WHOLE POINT of the seeding post by Riot. Which is exactly why I'm here complaining.... which I never freaking do... but this is stupid.

Remlap1223Jan 22, 20154 votes

Yeah I'll get right onto leaving Bronze with the fucking broken way that promo's are held. I can play goddamn perfectly if I want to, but my game just has to be fucked up by one guy that chooses to play extremely recklessly, or outright feeds or leaves and I'm back to 79 LP again. Consider yourselves lucky. At least you don't have to win 3 games in a row.

DeadXeraJan 22, 20153 votes

I ended Season 4 at silver 2 on my main account, and hopping on a bronze account I went through all of bronze with only 3 losses total. I'm not saying that I'm hot shit, quite the opposite actually, but honestly I don't believe in being "stuck" because of the 3 wins for a series thing. Yeah, it's kept me from getting into Gold, and yes it's frustrating, but tbh if I can't tip the scales well enough to win a best of 5 series, I'm obviously not doing well enough to keep climbing. Same goes for you or anyone else. If you aren't able to win the series, you don't deserve to be higher than you are. Get better, learn what it takes to carry at your level, and seek to improve. I'm not trying to belittle you (I've got a lot of improvement to do myself!), but by seeking to get better you will also improve your ranking, so why complain when there's something you can do about it?

TaarkiJan 23, 20153 votes

Well what happens if you win all of the games no in the promo series, and then in the promo series you get 2 d/cs and a feeder, both games. And it just keeps repeating. This is what happens to most people.

slipstreemJan 23, 20152 votes

You do what I did, where you fail your promos to get out of silver 3 9 times and your promos to get out of gold V 10 times and then you win most of the others and up in diamond V anyway by the end of the season because I belonged in the diamond V/IV range and made it there after nearly 200ish games. At one point I was something like 60-20 in non promo games and 15-45 in promo games...

CrazycatpersonJan 23, 20157 votes

I find it pretty funny that everyone says that "oh, you're stuck in bronze because you suck lol" then complain when they get trolls in their game.

Angry MonsterJan 22, 20155 votes

the OP only won 2 games in placements, Why do people think that they can do that bad and have high ranked?

WrennardxJan 22, 20156 votes

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the OP only won 2 games in placements, Why do people think that they can do that bad and have high ranked?

You keep posting the same comments time and time again, that doesn't mean they're right. I'm fine with a drop due to poor placements, but don't drop me 12 divisions and then say "well they don't have as much of an effect as your previous rankings". This is the whole point, one you seem to be side-stepping over and over. Though, trolling is nothing new for my last 36 hours.

Angry MonsterJan 22, 20155 votes

its fact. you lost 8 games out of 10. you act like you deserve plat placement with that record. I was asking someone else about your shitty mentality.

GorszJan 22, 20152 votes

The problem with placements is the same exact problem with promotion games.

To find your true elo you're supposed to play X amount of games and win overtime, so why in the world does a few promotion games or a handful of placement games affect your MMR by so much?

Someones skill cannot be judged by placements especially in a game with so many random variables.

Nucleophilic atkJan 23, 20156 votes

To be honest, one person's skill cannot be determined by looking at wins/loses of a team game.

WrennardxJan 22, 201515 votes

Again, the reason i'm upset is because there was a post by Riot directly where they stated this kind of stuff wouldn't happen. I got unlucky, played well but ended up with afks, trolls and intentional feeders along with a huge list of raging players. I understand it happens (believe me, I've played enough league to understand how bad a lot of people suck in this game), but don't tell me that something is in place to prevent this from happening and then let it happen again.

Also, I'm sorry but even great players end up with win rates at or around 60%, and after the hit that the jungle took (it's so much harder to carry now), I'm in a place that the next 100 or so games are all about just trying to get back to gold... and then there is back to plat, then back up to where I was in plat... and THEN i can try to improve?

I've played league for 5 seasons, I've had these type of trolly/crummy placement matches every single season, I know what they are about. What I'm upset about is that the post stated this would happen anymore.... well it just did.

HgoE3zTRnmJan 22, 201514 votes

so im bronze 5, go 8-2 in season placement matches... get ranked bronze 5. nice logic riot.. i could have hit bronze 4 with the win streak i just had, but now i played 7 hours to be bronze 5 with 0 points.. appreciate the hope of getting silver. thanks.

COWmanLordJan 22, 201510 votes

Well from looking at your match history you lost the vast majority of you games. Not to mention riot did mention people are likely to place lower than where they ended last season (as quoted by the first guy to post). Your match history also shows that you have continue to lose games even at S3. Also if your mmr is significantly higher than those you play with than you earn more Lp per win, rather than less. Honestly having been in silver for a good time now, and knowing people who are plat the difference in skill level is pretty high between the two. You should be able to win games and carry yourself out pretty easily if you are actually as far above you rank as you say you are.

WrennardxJan 22, 20157 votes

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Well from looking at your match history you lost the vast majority of you games. Not to mention riot did mention people are likely to place lower than where they ended last season (as quoted by the first guy to post). Your match history also shows that you have continue to lose games even at S3. Also if your mmr is significantly higher than those you play with than you earn more Lp per win, rather than less. Honestly having been in silver for a good time now, and knowing people who are plat the difference in skill level is pretty high between the two. You should be able to win games and carry yourself out pretty easily if you are actually as far above you rank as you say you are.

I didn't say anything about wins or losses, it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to win a game 5v4 or with members of your team running into 5 and ending up dead on purpose (it's called intentional feeding). The WHOLE point of the seeding post by Riot was to say that if something like those happen it's not that big of a deal... obviously it still is.

The solution of "spend a month climbing back" is a pretty big kick in the nuts.

XengreJan 22, 20152 votes

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I didn't say anything about wins or losses, it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to win a game 5v4 or with members of your team running into 5 and ending up dead on purpose (it's called intentional feeding). The WHOLE point of the seeding post by Riot was to say that if something like those happen it's not that big of a deal... obviously it still is.

The solution of "spend a month climbing back" is a pretty big kick in the nuts.

Do I think you being placed in S3 from Plat1 is right? No. There is clearly something wrong here.

Did COWmanLord make a valid point about your underperformance in S3 (though it technically has nothing to do with the actual issue) and were you misrepresenting your claim about feeders in your matches? Yes. Looking at your match history, bar a Sivir in one of your games it doesn't look like anyone is intentionally feeding, trolling, etc. I didn't check for AFK but having seen the scores just off the top of my head I doubt you had any significant AFK'ing, either. Granted your current performance has nothing to do with the incorrect placements, but you ought to take that out of your OP because you are clearly misrepresenting and this just derails the topic.

WrennardxJan 22, 20152 votes

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Do I think you being placed in S3 from Plat1 is right? No. There is clearly something wrong here.

Did COWmanLord make a valid point about your underperformance in S3 (though it technically has nothing to do with the actual issue) and were you misrepresenting your claim about feeders in your matches? Yes. Looking at your match history, bar a Sivir in one of your games it doesn't look like anyone is intentionally feeding, trolling, etc. I didn't check for AFK but having seen the scores just off the top of my head I doubt you had any significant AFK'ing, either. Granted your current performance has nothing to do with the incorrect placements, but you ought to take that out of your OP because you are clearly misrepresenting and this just derails the topic.

I guess i missed you in all of my placement games! Can you tell me what happened just by looking at the numbers? No, you can't. Someone could do fine all game, then rage and afk for the last 5 min of the game and all of a sudden it's a loss due to an AFK. You can have a riven die 18 times becuase they constantly ran into 5 people and it wouldn't show up as afk or intentionally feeding? Sorry dude, but you weren't there and don't know what happened. I'm on the losing streak of losing streaks. However, my complaint is Riots failure to implement the system they said they would, which is what you see so many people upset about.

XengreJan 22, 20155 votes

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I guess i missed you in all of my placement games! Can you tell me what happened just by looking at the numbers? No, you can't. Someone could do fine all game, then rage and afk for the last 5 min of the game and all of a sudden it's a loss due to an AFK. You can have a riven die 18 times becuase they constantly ran into 5 people and it wouldn't show up as afk or intentionally feeding? Sorry dude, but you weren't there and don't know what happened. I'm on the losing streak of losing streaks. However, my complaint is Riots failure to implement the system they said they would, which is what you see so many people upset about.

Actually, I can. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/33517733 It has time stamps for when players died on the chart, various other stats, location of death, etc. I can tell if someone was repeatedly dying in a brief period of time and where, see the k/d/a of each player in the match, and more.

Yes, it is possible they went afk during the end, when you were already losing major fights or probably raging at them. I can see if they didn't have any deaths/kills for the last several minutes which can help determine to some degree an AFK at the end of a match. I can see if you were being ROFL stomped before they went afk based on the chart. I wasn't seeing someone die 18x with terrible kill/assist ratios because they were feeding. Most of the people with large death count clearly had contributed in that match in your history. I can see if they were running into 5 people solo and dying because the chart has a time stamp of deaths/kills/objectives and I can see if others died at that time and the spread of deaths/kills on the map.

Sorry dude, but I can practically dictate what occurred in your match to a fairly reasonable degree.

Parzival33Jan 22, 20158 votes

I think we can all agree the system for placement matches is very flawed.

XonraJan 22, 20157 votes

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After reading Riot's "Seeding" post it was suggested that placement matches have so less of an effect on our new ranked division placement and established players will tend to stick around in the same area. Can you please explain how I go from Plat 1 for a good portion of last year and yet find myself in SILVER III (3) now? Come on, wtf is the point here? I ended up in literally 6 games of intentional feeding, raging, afking and constant trolling. Pushed through all of it cause it was stated by Riot that placements aren't nearly as important as previous seasons. I'm not trying to go all emo and complain here, but this is pretty stupid. I didn't forget how to play as I was doing my placements but now I've got to play 100+ games just to get back to where I was last year.

Add to that the fact that my MMR is so high my point gain is minimal... this is foolish. If you're going to change a system that's cool, if you leave it the same that's fine... but for gods' sake don't tell me it's a new system then crush me over the head with the old one.

lol I won 7 games and still got placed in a lower division ( from mid silver to bronze somehow with a 7-3). You at least had to lose to get lowered. I won 70% of my games and got bitch slapped for starting 2-0 and finishing 7-3. I'm convinced Riot doesn't know wtf they are doing with the ranked system below challenger.

It's garbage. I follow the coach/analyst for Team Liquid's challenger team...dude went 7-3....went from Diamond to silver 3. How the hell does that make sense? Needless to say he was equally as salty.

MasochistJan 22, 20155 votes

Hey man, don't you know? Challenger players and the LCS are the core source of Riot's income.

Not the tens of millions of other players out there.

Nope, nope.

Reaper Fear411Jan 22, 20153 votes

Same won 7-3 games, carried a lot of them going 16-4 etc. Went from Silver 4 to bronze 3. I agree with what everyone's saying, riot said the big swings wouldn't happen and it would depend on last years rank (bullllshittttt). Not to mention i lose more IP losing a 4vs5 than i do winning one sooo bad.

BlastiresJan 22, 20157 votes

Well you ended plat but you were diamond nearly master before that. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23079604 The fact is, nobody ranked up. We all lost A LOT of mmr doing these 10 placement matches. I think it's fair since everybody lost and not just some unlucky guy. But It is not ok for me. I don't mind about myself but you obviously were a diamond 1 and after ONLY 10 matches. You dropped like hell. Now win 10 matches and carry them. And you will only be able to get back in diamond 5. Riot said the effect is less strong but to me it is not.

The 10 placement matches actually have a stronger effect than before. And nobody ranked up with these. There is obviously something wrong.

Kirby cake you lost 338 mmr in one day. It's impossible to win 338 mmr in one day. Conclusion: Placement matches have a stronger effect than 1 entire day of winning streak.

Stars ShaperJan 22, 20156 votes

S3 with 4 won placements matches with terribad score = Silver 2

S4 with 7 won placements matches with more than good score = Silver 3

Working as intended.

disregardableJan 22, 20155 votes

we figured that everyone should have a fresh opportunity to rise to the top. Because of that, we’re again running a soft reset to player position with the start of the ranked season, meaning you’ll likely place lower than where you ended the previous season

WrennardxJan 22, 201510 votes

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and right above that it says "so while this year’s placements are still important, they won’t cause established players to swing as far up or down because of good or bad luck. Your placement will still be heavily influenced by where you ended up last season. If you’ve never played ranked, then your form in your placements will be all that matters!"

So..... which part of the post am I supposed to believe? Placing lower is fine, going from Plat 1 for a good portion of the end of the season to Silver 3 is foolish. It means the next month or so of my gametime is going to be devoted to just fixing a messed up system.

disregardableJan 22, 20154 votes

I really doubt it'll take you an entire month to climb that, unless you only play one game per day. It's not like you're playing against plat players. You're right that an entire 800 MMR drop is extreme though...

XonraJan 22, 201510 votes

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I really doubt it'll take you an entire month to climb that, unless you only play one game per day. It's not like you're playing against plat players. You're right that an entire 800 MMR drop is extreme though...

Not everyone has the time to play 10 games a day. Sometimes 3 a day is a big deal.

The point here is that he shouldn't really have to climb back up regardless of how good he is, doesn't matter if he is friggin' faker, he earner the placement he was already in, why should he be forced to do the entire climb all over again for literally no actual good reason outside of....because Riot wanted people to..."Because reasons". It is literally a waste of time.

DeadXeraJan 22, 20152 votes

True, we should just never reset the ladder ever, so people don't get butthurt. Sound logic.

XonraJan 22, 20155 votes

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True, we should just never reset the ladder ever, so people don't get butthurt. Sound logic.

Yeah cause making people have to climb to where they already were makes a lot more sense. There is literally no reason at all for a reset in the first place. It is just one of the many lazy tactics game devs do to make it seem like a game has more value than it really does by having you play more.

I get clearing Challenger and Master and putting them in Diamond, but what is the point of putting everyone at Plat or lower. There is no logic to it outside of - Cause Riot said so and the sheep will follow whatever they say and defend their every bad move.

KonidiasJan 22, 20153 votes

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Yeah cause making people have to climb to where they already were makes a lot more sense. There is literally no reason at all for a reset in the first place. It is just one of the many lazy tactics game devs do to make it seem like a game has more value than it really does by having you play more.

I get clearing Challenger and Master and putting them in Diamond, but what is the point of putting everyone at Plat or lower. There is no logic to it outside of - Cause Riot said so and the sheep will follow whatever they say and defend their every bad move.

The logic is that it gives everyone a fresh start. You think people who go super high ranking in Season 2-3 deserve to stay there forever? No. The game has changed quite drastically since a year ago. Soft reset also helps to drop down people who got elo boosted or just got lucky.

Your ranking is not like leveling up in WoW. You have to consistently prove that you deserve to be ranked where you are. It's not a cumulative number that just climbs the more you play.

It helps flush the system. Some people might have gotten a high ranking in 2014 and played the bare minimum to not decay... but they might not belong at that same ranking now.

XonraJan 22, 20153 votes

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The logic is that it gives everyone a fresh start. You think people who go super high ranking in Season 2-3 deserve to stay there forever? No. The game has changed quite drastically since a year ago. Soft reset also helps to drop down people who got elo boosted or just got lucky.

Your ranking is not like leveling up in WoW. You have to consistently prove that you deserve to be ranked where you are. It's not a cumulative number that just climbs the more you play.

It helps flush the system. Some people might have gotten a high ranking in 2014 and played the bare minimum to not decay... but they might not belong at that same ranking now.

No, clearing everyone's MMR and have your 10 placement matches actually mean something to where you get placed would be giving everyone a fresh start.

This isn't a fresh start, this is basically just going " Yeah I know you are x rank but I'm gonna put you lower, but you'll just get back to it with higher LP gains so...really it is pointless but...you get to play more games! :D"

Also, pretty sure actually winning games, that are supposed to PLACE you...based on how you do in the 10 PLACEMENT games should be plenty proving, otherwise what is even the point of them? Obviously it doesn't matter, people are being lowered whether they go 0-10 or 10-0 so there is no point. As I said, if if were a true reset then it wouldn't be a "soft" reset, or as it really is, a pointless lowering of everyone's rank just cause. It isn't actually a reset for anyone but those in Challenger and Master Tier, and really I don't see a point in dropping people outside of that to this extent.

It just causes frustration.

Also yes, if you got to a high rank in season 2-3 and you haven't fallen out of it...why wouldn't you deserve to still be there? If the game changed drastically, which is has, and said person can't addapt, then the system should be set up (which is the real problem here) to weed those people out. It shouldn't drop everyone down because a few people shouldn't be somewhere. That is stupid.

Stark6000Jan 23, 20153 votes

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No, clearing everyone's MMR and have your 10 placement matches actually mean something to where you get placed would be giving everyone a fresh start.

This isn't a fresh start, this is basically just going " Yeah I know you are x rank but I'm gonna put you lower, but you'll just get back to it with higher LP gains so...really it is pointless but...you get to play more games! :D"

Also, pretty sure actually winning games, that are supposed to PLACE you...based on how you do in the 10 PLACEMENT games should be plenty proving, otherwise what is even the point of them? Obviously it doesn't matter, people are being lowered whether they go 0-10 or 10-0 so there is no point. As I said, if if were a true reset then it wouldn't be a "soft" reset, or as it really is, a pointless lowering of everyone's rank just cause. It isn't actually a reset for anyone but those in Challenger and Master Tier, and really I don't see a point in dropping people outside of that to this extent.

It just causes frustration.

Also yes, if you got to a high rank in season 2-3 and you haven't fallen out of it...why wouldn't you deserve to still be there? If the game changed drastically, which is has, and said person can't addapt, then the system should be set up (which is the real problem here) to weed those people out. It shouldn't drop everyone down because a few people shouldn't be somewhere. That is stupid.

you stated it perfectly.

they just want you to play a stupid amount of games

20 games a week is stupid for most people, thats 20 hours roughly

Stark6000Jan 22, 201515 votes

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I really doubt it'll take you an entire month to climb that, unless you only play one game per day. It's not like you're playing against plat players. You're right that an entire 800 MMR drop is extreme though...

an hour every fucking day is alot.

rka1010Jan 23, 20154 votes

Your so called "soft reset" also shit on players who spent half a year trying to improve, only to get shit on just like this guy. I started ranked last season in Silver III, when I had no idea how to counter player picks, did not have a complete rune page, and barely any champions to play with. I fell into Bronze V. I've been improving on that since the Summer, and then November comes and I find out that I don't need to worry about Bronze V because of the reset. Then you fuck me over with a soft reset, and because I end up playing with the exact same kind of trolls that are in Bronze V, I end up with the exact same win ratio that I had last season, and I get placed in BRONZE V! I'm switching to a new account now, just like the Platinum players that troll Bronze V and routinely fuck me over. You will not get one more cent from me for your fucked up game.

WrennardxJan 22, 20155 votes

My whole complaint here is that normally I would have waited till the kids, trolls and afks had calmed down at the beginning of the season. However, I like to play League, I do it a lot, with my job is a fun distraction from the crummy stuff I see every day. But don't tell me a system is in place that will reduce the effect of things like trolls/afks and then don't actually implement the system in a meaningful way.

Ánnîe Jan 23, 20155 votes

People aren't understanding why if one person goes 8-2 and someone else goes 8-2 why they're being placed tiers apart. its all about who you end up matched against. obviously if you lose to silver players you will end up in bronze. a plat player shouldn't lose to silver players and the fact that he did really hit his mmr. stop whining and improve. if you were placed bronze 5 you probably deserved it now all of you who are angry about your rank can go and down vote me instead of actually improving your game play. my mains plat and i wouldn't dare touch ranked during the first month on my main regardless of what riot says. This account is already gold and it was a breeze getting there.

Pal2002Jan 23, 20154 votes

A lot of you guys are thinking about this the wrong way. A new season means a RESET of MMR - the median MMR of all League players is Silver 4-5. If not for the "soft" reset, everyone would be placed silver 4-5 at the beginning of placements and if you go 5-5 (not a streak but WLWLWL etc.) you'll end up silver4 with 0 LP. WIth the soft reset, it just means you start your placements at an MMR higher/lower S4 0LP - the further you're from this point, the higher/lower your starting point is.

For players with mmr below silver 4, a soft reset actually does NOT benefit you at all in getting out of bronze; if you wanted a clean slate, you would've wanted the hard reset which they're not doing anymore.

For players higher than silver 4, you will drop half way between where you're and S4 if you go 5-5; this is intentional for you - how low depends on your matches. As hard as we work for our rank throughout the year, don't think about it as something you keep, everyone drops and are supposed to drop unless you really ace your placements. The highest a challenger player can even place is P1.

TLDR: Placements are still very important. New season means everyone gets closer to S4 0LP. Soft reset just means a different starting place. "Less effect" just means instead of +/- 50 mmr per placement, it's now like 35.

One more thing: Notice I keep saying MMR - Remember your rank/LP is completely cosmetic and tries to conform to your MMR and that you need to drop a whole tier (5 divisions) in MMR before they drop your rank. This will explain the many S5/G5/P5 going positive in placements and still end up lower.

WrennardxJan 23, 20151 votes

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A lot of you guys are thinking about this the wrong way. A new season means a RESET of MMR - the median MMR of all League players is Silver 4-5. If not for the "soft" reset, everyone would be placed silver 4-5 at the beginning of placements and if you go 5-5 (not a streak but WLWLWL etc.) you'll end up silver4 with 0 LP. WIth the soft reset, it just means you start your placements at an MMR higher/lower S4 0LP - the further you're from this point, the higher/lower your starting point is.

For players with mmr below silver 4, a soft reset actually does NOT benefit you at all in getting out of bronze; if you wanted a clean slate, you would've wanted the hard reset which they're not doing anymore.

For players higher than silver 4, you will drop half way between where you're and S4 if you go 5-5; this is intentional for you - how low depends on your matches. As hard as we work for our rank throughout the year, don't think about it as something you keep, everyone drops and are supposed to drop unless you really ace your placements. The highest a challenger player can even place is P1.

TLDR: Placements are still very important. New season means everyone gets closer to S4 0LP. Soft reset just means a different starting place. "Less effect" just means instead of +/- 50 mmr per placement, it's now like 35.

Again, someone who put a lot of effort into the post, which I appreciate, but you need to read Riots post about seeding, which is what this whole 12 page thread is about. You're making up numbers which mean absolutely nothing. Now, if someone from Riot comes in and says "yeah, it's about 35 instead of 50" i'll be happy to move on, but then PLEASE don't post something saying they don't matter near as much when they really do.

Pal2002Jan 23, 20152 votes

err...my tldr says they matter a lot. Not sure if you got my point - which is that everyone gets reset no matter. And ofc the numbers are just crude estimates, I doubt even that many Rioters know the real numbers. The analogy is here is that it's still quite big. (normal ranked probably less than 10 mmr changed per game)

AnatharionJan 22, 20153 votes

I think Riot wanted to increase the time their playerbase was putting into the game. The more games their players play the greater the chance of that player making RP purchases and increasing the revenue generated by Riot.

So they drop everyone down a few big notches and know that people will be playing more to get back to where they belong in the rankings.

Pretty slick, but kinda lame.

GoodleShoesJan 23, 20153 votes

So before the preseason ended I worked my way up to bronze 2 from bronze 4. During promos I won 7 out of 10 games with positive k/d and ended up in bronze 4. I really can't tell how discouraging this is. Would the same result happen if I lost all of my games? I worked so hard and even checked out my opponents and teammates and for the most part I was playing with and against silver players... What's even the point of promos if I just end up lower than original even if i do well? I feel like giving up.

BeersteinJan 23, 20153 votes

They do have less of an impact, but they also reset your MMRs down a TON to the point that it's possible to go 10-0 and land in a lower bracket, so the point is moot. You can either excel in placements to get back to where you were, or lose your way into the depths of bronze.

DomnomssJan 23, 20153 votes

This is ridiculous, I went 7 wins and 3 losses all as support Karma. I was placed into bronze 1, I'm confused and irritated because for a game I even went against people who were gold in S4. I really would like to know how these games were measured because I seriously did somewhat decent (in my opinion) just to get placed into bronze again. In my ten games I averaged a 3.4/6.9/20 kda (mind this is ALL support) and I totaled 34/69/200 in my ten games. I'm not saying that I should of gotten placed in plat or anything, but I really think I shouldnt of been put into bronze.

WaY2HoTJan 23, 20153 votes

how the hell do you go positive in placements and drop 3 divisions. Riot.... you're doing it wrong

LuckyFriday13Jan 23, 20153 votes

You worked really hard in placement games, you won 7 out of 10, good job, Here is your punishment, I mean "reward" your bronze 1. So since I went positive in my placement games and yet I'm still dropped Down in placement. So placement games a complete waist of time because all it does is screw you over. Gg, you lose even if you win . Thanks a bunch riot, you just made me so angry I dont even want to play anymore :(