Every new top laner and jungler has been underpowered

Tyvalir8·3/7/2020, 5:12:53 PM·1 votes·6,661 views

Kled, camille, kayn, sett, ornn, sylas, ivern - lacking in mobility, very low pickrates and/or lacking in damage

Now let's take a look at the other champions all of which have been overpowered: kai'sa, aphelios, xayah, kalista, zoe, neeko, qiyana, yuumi, pyke, senna

It's so stupidly obvious that's it's biased against top and jungle, all the new top lane and jg champs are bad while the community admits the new adc/mid/support champs are OP

Ofc, one sided mobility, kiting and CC mechanics contribute to this

41 Comments

affqFQF3/7/2020, 5:40:38 PM28 votes

Pls someone... Tell me, who let this guy skip tutorial?

The Flashless3/7/2020, 6:06:19 PM9 votes

So wrong that it feels like bait. Sett, Ornn, Sylass, and Camille have all BEEN and NEEDED to be slapped down with nerfs. Kled is sleeper broken and Ivern is in a good spot, but I'll give you Kayn.

Death by Glamour3/7/2020, 6:36:49 PM8 votes

Despite not being top tier kled was never in a terrible position

Release Camille was pretty dominant if memory serves me right

Wasnt red Kayne super strong on release? Anyway same as kled never top tier but never trash.

Ornn... Really?

Sylas has been gutted because he was too strong, where have you been?

Ivern was the go too jungler during the ardent meta.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M3/7/2020, 6:46:12 PM8 votes

Sett and ornn underpowered? Bwahahahahah what rock have you been living under?

Edit: also sylas was so broken at the start that riot had to do multiple nerfs then a mini rework hahahaha.

TheLastShadow453/7/2020, 6:21:02 PM6 votes

LOL, this is very wrong on so many levels. And the fact that you hide behind a low lvl account instead of posting on your main makes all points you make irrelevant.

Grokmir3/7/2020, 8:42:53 PM5 votes

This is the most iron post I've ever seen. This has to be a joke thread.

Literally every too/jungle you named has either been or currently is busted as fuck.

Ivern is the ONLY one you can MAYBE make an argument for as he's been fairly weak for awhile but if you played when he was first released you'd know he was one of the strongest junglers at the time.

Most of your "op" picks are correct but let's not forget that neeko was basically unplayed until she just got buffed this patch and kalista was the weakest champion in the game for at least the past two years and is still widely considered to be shit.

Idk if you should be calling anyone biased when your entire post is overflowing with bias.

CyberPhobic3/7/2020, 11:12:09 PM4 votes

Mate who told you Kled and Sylas are bad? Or even Camille? Wtf?

Camille was so good she went into 4 roles

Chadtrick3/7/2020, 7:37:13 PM3 votes

I'm sorry did you just say Kayn is lacking in mobility? KAYN CAN LITERALLY WALK THROUGH TERRAIN

Jenivie3/8/2020, 1:03:05 AM3 votes

I have to laugh

Tyvalir1122 3/7/2020, 6:43:30 PM1 votes

To the rioter who banned me:

Why are people allowed to obliterate people's mental health with their insane level of stupidity and degeneracy? Yet me saying I want to torture someone IRL who is a complete dumbass is just too much?

Tyvalir83/7/2020, 6:30:48 PM1 votes

Me: maybe zoe and neeko are a bit overpowered

This disgusting filthy forum: constant insults

KhaZix Bot3/7/2020, 9:53:55 PM1 votes

I mean yeah, all those bot laners and mids are/were broken. Sett was incredibly broken too, though. That champion was one of the most laughable releases in League history.

As a top lane main, I've played that matchup so much now that beating Sett's ass is second nature. But still, every game against him feels like I'm being forced to outplay a champion leagues better than my own, like some sort of raid boss. A champion shouldn't always feel like they have an extreme inherent advantage like that. Sett feels like he's supposed to win, and that feels bad to lane against.

After playing 40 games against him (at least) in a short period of time, I can say that he's too strong, but he's held back by one of the worst player pools I've ever seen in my life. Like the average Sett player is incompetent to a hilarious degree. I can't tell you how many times a Sett, losing a duel against me, has slam dunked me into isolation just to immediately get his head torn off. Then they usually start bitching. They're terrible.

Ornn currently has a negative winrate in every server except your server and OCE. However, this is entirely the fault of his playerbase, as Ornns that max their abilities properly have a positive winrate globally. It's still nothing special or particularly oppressive at face value, but he does win more than he loses. It is worth mentioning that his banrate is abnormally high.

A 27% banrate usually means something is wrong. Akali was unfair and oppressive and has almost always had a negative winrate, but her banrate spoke volumes. Qiyana, a champion you list as broken (and mind you, I agree) currently has a 48% winrate (close to Ornn). Bad players are drawn to broken champions and bad players tank their winrates.

I can tell you the problem with Ornn. He one shots and puts the game on a timer. No one wants to play on a timer like that. No one wants a game that passes a threshold and just hands you a free loss. That's lame. Tanks also shouldn't one shot. Ornn is one of the reasons other top laners (some that you listed) are getting shoved out of the lane. Sett as well, while we're at it.

The best advice I can give you is to just stick to one thing and do it well. It sucks that the state of some lanes is so bad that all variance leaves the role, but that's a whole different problem. I main Kha top and have no problems with Ornn, Sett, Trynd, Akali, etc., for the most part. And he doesn't have many good matchups up there. If you're playing a bunch of different champions you're never going to consistently feel strong.

One tricking definitely isn't for everyone, but then, neither is top lane.

As for jungle, I don't know. Fuck that role, I quit jungle because I don't like relearning the game every other patch. Nice work, Ghost Crawler.

Worst JG Wins3/7/2020, 10:39:35 PM1 votes

Let me fix that for you

EVERY Jungle champ released/reworked has been underpowered Kayn, Nunu, Ivern, WW. None of these champs have been allowed to be for more then a patch or 2. I guess reworked Zac was good for a few patches before they gutted him out of the meta for 2 years before the partial revert. EVERY New/reworked champ that isn't supposed to be a jungler, but becomes one gets their JG clear gutted. Qiyana, Aatrox, Sylas Camille Taliyah

EVERY NEW OR REWORKED SOLO LANER SUPPORT OR ADC IS BUSTED OR WAS BUSTED FOR MONTHS UPON RELEASE Akali Aatrox Aphelios Camille Diana Galio Irelia Kaisa Katarina Kled Mordekaiser Pyke Pantheon Ornn Neeko Qiyana Rakan Senna Sett Swain Sylas Urgot Yuumi Xayah Zoe Kayle

God just seeing this list is sad. Jungle been getting shit on since Kindred release

Edit: also Rito please don't take JG Sett away from me

Troll Slaiyer3/7/2020, 5:44:51 PM1 votes

besides sett and now ornn, i think its beause kled and camille are just too weird and different with their playstyles.

compare those 2 to darius or morde, who are simple, and effective. they walk into u and auto attack u to proc op passives. its funner for most ppl to stack bleed and hit R with darius then to learn the ins and outs of camille or kled.

Saint Ahri3/8/2020, 12:01:37 AM1 votes
thefatlazycat3/8/2020, 10:55:29 PM1 votes

ornn and sett are top tier right now

NuggetMilk3/8/2020, 2:05:51 AM1 votes

lacking in mobility

After listing Kled, Camille, and Sylas. Seriously take them into practice tool and tell me they're immobile again.

Eedat3/7/2020, 7:36:12 PM1 votes

underpowered

sett