What are your honest thoughts on Hourglass?

PrincessLillyUwU··1 votes·2,231 views

I've been playing league for many years (since the end of season 2) and like a lot of you guys probably, i've played against a lot frustrating champs and mechanics over the years but over time i either just became better at the game and learned how to play around it or riot straight up removed it ( i think the only thing riot removed that i never learned how to play around was the DFG one-shot). But stasis has always been something that has made me so frustrated. i understand that at the time stasis was created was during a very volatile balancing period where a lot of champs could do whatever the fuck they wanted what with kassadin just raping every one and you needed zhonyas to prevent someone from jumping on you and one-shotting you or getting one-shot from a long range. League has changed a lot and riot has laid out some clear cut metas and ways that the game is meant to be played. Mages are squishy AF and have a lot of damage, a lot of crowd control, and very low cooldowns. it's very difficult to approach a mage unless you're yasuo, but that's yasuos gimmick to just be able to approach mages and champs. but for any other champ ranged or not getting in close on a mage is a huge fucking undertaking. it's even more frustrating when mages really can just sit under tower and not miss cs with their incredibly long ranged abilities. but then they get stop watch and they just become unkillable. they become way too safe of a role. once they have zhonyas if you manage to actually get close enough to do some damage they can just ignite you, blow their entire load, and then zhonyas and win the fight because they do way more up front damage than you ever could.

ive flashed in on tons of mages only to accidentally kill their teammates instead of them because zhonyas saved them. I've won so many game winning team fights that i really shouldnt have because our lux support zhonyased when the team rightfully focused her, because she went a head and did half the entire team's health bar when she survived with 200 hp.

i know that's a very specific scenario. but it's honestly every other fucking game this is happening where im winning and losing team fights only because any mage like lux, diana , and syndra keep doing that.

i get im supposed not fight them when they have it up. so how are you supposed to play around it when the person you need to focus in team fights wont die if you focus them.

So what is your take on this item. is this really just me? i dont play mid lane every game but even then its a problem to me when my enemy laner isnt building it.

17 Comments

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

It is iconic and embedded in the meta, it wont go anywhere.

That sounds like a bad player problem, not a bad design problem. If people are blowing their entire kit on a stasis target, that is their problem, especially with how predictable it is.

Same as people wasting their abilities on Yi during alpha strike. Bad players, not Yi OP.

PrincessLillyUwU1 votes

Same as people wasting their abilities on Yi during alpha strike. Bad players, not Yi OP

You cant compare alpha strike to stasis. Yi is a melee champ who has to get up close to kill you. When he goes into has to use alpha strike to not get blown up. Yi also does not have the upfront burst damage that mages have and he isnt invincible for 2.5 seconds during Q. That's some pretty malicious misrepresentation.

Mages just sit way behind the backline. In xeraths case out of vision range firing non stop spells that chunk for 30% hp each. I can side step abilities but I cant shove my teammate off his keyboard and take over. Just because it's an item that has been a part of the meta for so long doesnt mean that the item is healthy for the game.

PrincessLillyUwU1 votes

As an assassin or tanky bruiser you are supposed to dive the back line or engage with a shyvana or malphite ult. Mages just "go nope miss me with that gay shit"

My problem with zhonyas is that mage champs are already incredibly safe with how much range and crowd control they have. Adcs are immobile without crowd control and are 100% dependent on having a support with them at all times. They dont even get an item that makes them that safe.

Honestly an item that gives 70 ap shouldn't also give defensive stats and a defensive active.

Although im in favor of the item.being reworked so that it gives a 300+15% ap sheild

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

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That item nobody builds below high elo? That is mandatory on ADCs?

Jesi Oni1 votes

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That item nobody builds below high elo? That is mandatory on ADCs?

I use it but low elo players while fighting~ lets say Veigar... Can survive 20ish seconds longer before they (me) will fall into another lasio trap 🤣

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Exin01 votes

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As an assassin or tanky bruiser you are supposed to dive the back line or engage with a shyvana or malphite ult. Mages just "go nope miss me with that gay shit"

My problem with zhonyas is that mage champs are already incredibly safe with how much range and crowd control they have. Adcs are immobile without crowd control and are 100% dependent on having a support with them at all times. They dont even get an item that makes them that safe.

Honestly an item that gives 70 ap shouldn't also give defensive stats and a defensive active.

Although im in favor of the item.being reworked so that it gives a 300+15% ap sheild

While zhonyas can save you its more nieche noob trap item then reliable defense and with super long CD. As for shield thing 300+15%AP look impressive but isnt for dedicated item when riven has stronger version on much lower cd embed into kit. Whole point of statis is attempt to make attacker disengage shield dont provide same nieche. Honestly i dont like zhonyas and i am even for removal from game but not until it defensive purpose is compensated. Also assasins and bruiser dont have hard times and this types of nerfs/indirect buffs are at this time over the top and dont forget incomming buff round is around champions that makes mages cry.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Wtf does your team being bad at dodging have to do with hourglass?

Lapis1 votes

If Zhonyas was removed, what would anyone do about assassins? Assassins are annoying enough without an item to deal with them.

The thigh guy1 votes

Considering it’s quite litteraly the ONLY defensive item that makes any difference to this stupid amount of damage, no. Maybe when damage isn’t so high you die by 2x your health bar.

DalekZec1 votes

HAH! I've seen idiots who say that Zhonya is a toxic item and a cheap oopsie failsafe of escaping, and not all who think that are even zed mains who are usually far up their own ass.

The hypocrisy is they all smack on Zhonya yet don't say anything about QSS, GA and Edge of Knight.

Either AD champion mains are delusional or people are just annoyed they forgot about an item that outplayed them in the press of a button which in reality, they outplayed themselves.

I mean, the god damn item isn't even all that great for a defensive build. The only defensive tool is its stasis and it's often bought even against AP champions solely due to its active. Banshee's is useless against AP yet an anti AD item is more useful than it.

The mage defensive items is so weird.

Ho1d This Q1 votes

As somebody who is a mage main and also on the side of "fuck hourglass" i just wanna point a few things out.

  1. QSS isn't trashed on cus its really not that bad of an active to deal with. it cleases one cc not makes you unkillable for 2 seconds. honestly i would love for AP champs to get a QSS item.
  2. Fuck GA as well. if getting rid of hourglass means having to get rid of GA to then you can see me posting that hulk meme where it says "I see this as an absolute win".
  3. tbh i dont see edge of knight being used that often so i dont really have an opinion on it.
  4. Its stats are actually kind of nuts when you look at it. 75 AP and 45 armor are by no means low. and then add 10% CDR and the most powerful active in the entire game. this item is way to powerful.
DalekZec1 votes

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As somebody who is a mage main and also on the side of "fuck hourglass" i just wanna point a few things out.

  1. QSS isn't trashed on cus its really not that bad of an active to deal with. it cleases one cc not makes you unkillable for 2 seconds. honestly i would love for AP champs to get a QSS item.
  2. Fuck GA as well. if getting rid of hourglass means having to get rid of GA to then you can see me posting that hulk meme where it says "I see this as an absolute win".
  3. tbh i dont see edge of knight being used that often so i dont really have an opinion on it.
  4. Its stats are actually kind of nuts when you look at it. 75 AP and 45 armor are by no means low. and then add 10% CDR and the most powerful active in the entire game. this item is way to powerful.

Whether you like it or not, Zhonya, GA, QSS, etc are defensive items, and defensive items are necessary otherwise strategy wouldn't mean jack shit and the clown fiesta that we have to this day will more or less get worse. Having those defensive items won't mean an automatic win. Building Zhonya on a mage champion will not make me a threat. It's building Ludens and Deathcap that will make me a threat.

Ho1d This Q1 votes

while its true it does not feel good to rush it on mages cus your damage isnt gonna be high enough early. on AP assassins however like leblanc, akali, diana etc. they can rush it and not feel a hit in their early game damage what so ever. their still gonna one shot but now they have a good amount of armor to survive against an AD matchup. and if its stats aren't enough the active will keep them alive. I understand at this point riot will probably never remove the item but i feel like they should probably nerf it's AP by 10 or 15 just to make it really sacrificing damage for survivability on all champs. you know what i mean?

DalekZec1 votes

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while its true it does not feel good to rush it on mages cus your damage isnt gonna be high enough early. on AP assassins however like leblanc, akali, diana etc. they can rush it and not feel a hit in their early game damage what so ever. their still gonna one shot but now they have a good amount of armor to survive against an AD matchup. and if its stats aren't enough the active will keep them alive. I understand at this point riot will probably never remove the item but i feel like they should probably nerf it's AP by 10 or 15 just to make it really sacrificing damage for survivability on all champs. you know what i mean?

Fine by me. I don't buy it for its AP anyway.

SnyperWulff1 votes

Isn't Zonyahs basically the only mage item that we can get, that will give us defense against ad and give us some ap? I don't play as much anymore so i can't remember it's stats off the top of my head. Removing it would leave Mages with almost nothing to work with for defense.

Anime Fizz1 votes

Extremely overpowered item that has been needing hard nerfs been years.

For starters, it should have a higher cd, not have 10% cdr, and less AP.

Failmageddon1 votes

By this logic, then let's also get rid of QSS, Maw, Banshee's Veil, GA, Wit's End, those all have lots of defenses and powerful abilities and stats tied to those defenses. While we're at it, health is a defense too, right? So RoA, Frozen Mallet, etc. That way there are defense only and offense only items, and then Assassins can just rule the game.

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