@Riot, the actual reason why deadmans plate is used more than sunfire or randuins omen.

macromite··5 votes·699 views

most champions that need an armor/health item are tanks or bruisers, some other probably do, but most are in that category, and deadmans gives the best utility to them.

sunfire is only effective on characters that have low wave clear and are not jungling or support, and it is also only good when got early, which limits its use considerably, so if you have numbers that suggest that sunfire is being bought almost never, those numbers are correct. sunfire is a very specialized item, and it should probably remain that way.

Randuins is a very good item, but for it to work in the correct fashion you either need to be a duelist fighting an auto attacker, or you need to already have an effective gapcloser to make the slow worthwhile in fights.

the reason why deadmans is better than these items and is used more often is because it has a more general use, movespeed is good in almost any situation, especially for characters that inherently lack the ability to engage with abilities effectively. the slow on auto and extra damage are also very effective when it comes assisting the characters that this item was designed for.

Now that I mention who the item is designed for and I'm already sure you understand this, the item is primarily designed and used by immobile fighters and tanks that particularly need the mobility. most tanks that are still currently in meta or are even considered playable are jungling tanks, which means that their desires of having waveclear is already covered by cinderhulk, which in turn means that their choice is realistically between randuins and deadmans. randuins is designed as an anti carry tool, but the carry needs to be autoattacking the tank for it to fulfill its purpose, and against any relatively good player they would know not to autoattack the tank, and tanks also generally have enough crowd control to make it so the active is practically useless in many situations, especially the ones that have abilities that close distance, which in turn means that randuins turns into a defensive option that is built reactively instead of actively. the types of fighters that are currently seen in the meta are either the type that don't get a whole bunch of defenses, and if they do they prefer the extra damage of deadmans, so this nerf will not effect them, and the type of fighters that don't have a bunch of mobility, so this nerf will not effect them either, because deadmans is the only option that shores up the mobility issues they have.

how to fix this seeming problem. its actually pretty obvious if you ask me, if you want champions to use sunfire, buff up some champions that historically went top lane but make sure they don't get any good waveclear, shen would be a good place to start, if you buff shen so he can go top as an effective meta pick, you will start to see sunfire more, if you want to see randuins more, your probably going to need to buff the item and have the attack speed slow as part of its aoe, or give it movespeed, or tenacity, something to make this item an attractive pick for the big lumbering giants that the tank and juggernaut roles are known for.

nerfing deadmans in any way that doesnt completely destroy the item will not make the item any less prevelant.

5 Comments

The Sword Saint3 votes

Or shen could buy titanic hydra and full tank and actually scale as a damage threat with better waveclear than sunfire, and without accidentally aggroing people under tower.

Twitch Chat2 votes

gotta go fast

Jbels1 votes

Not to mention Bami's cinder is the most worthless component item ever. Giant's belt gives you more health, without the useless DOT passive (is also 100 gold cheaper, great nerf there, Riot.)

Faith Breaker1 votes

I just like how Riot looks at numbers and bases decisions off of it without being able to possess the capacity to comprehend the information behind the numbers. Like, exactly what the OP just did. But hey Riot are amazing awesome wonderful super cool peoples so perfect even in mistakes.

Sire Hippington1 votes

buff shen? He's prettymuch on the op side of things right now, why would you buff him? That would be as random as buffing lux Q to have full effect vs the second target while she alread sits at 53% winrate... wait, that actually happened*[zombie-brand-facepalm]* .

But yea, the 60ms from deadman'S are massive utillity, and just for that most are going to get it rather than randuins, unless they synergies particullary well with randuins. And sunfire just doesn't look very attractive for most champs right now. It just doesn't feel big enough to warrant the itemslot for me.

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