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Teemo's current state

MaIïk··4 votes·1,231 views

Hello summoners!

I'm here to discuss Teemo's current state and, later on, his future. I'm a Teemo main and I really enjoy to play with him. I feel that almost every item in the game is viable on Teemo making him very versatile, in terms of his role, letting him be an assassin, a bruiser or a disruptor depending on what he builds. I really would like that Teemo could be taked seriously and not as a troll pick or a weaker link, I feel like that is possible, but is hard to change people's mind. At the moment, I'm Platinum V with 150 games as Teemo (KDA - 2,7 ; WR - 59%). I know that I'm not high elo, but still if we look at the NA player Hikashikun (3 accounts in Master tier) we can understand that Teemo has the potential to carry. Apart from people's perspective there is another thing that bothers me, which is Teemo's kit. There has always been a lot of complains about Teemo's lack of counter play and the frustration to play against him and, despite being a Teemo main, I can understand it. Of course I enjoy to play as Teemo, but if I want him to be a serious champion there is a need to change him. In my perspective Teemo needs a minor rework in order to add more counter play to him (maybe turn his Q into some sort of skillshot ...), but there is a thing that needs to happen, Oracle Alteration needs to be able to reveal Teemo's mushrooms, but NOT DISABLE, I mean it is his ultimate it should not be so easily avoidable.

Do you agree with me? Let me know your opinion! Participate in this Pool I've created and comment bellow.

10 Comments

Zero Skill Tank4 votes

Reworking Teemo is a hard thing to do because his kit is very cohesive. For example simply changing his blind to skillshot, while proposed so many time, wouldn't really work. It would completely invalidate him in any ranged matchups, while many champions Teemo counters hard ATM would still have all the same problems - anytime Trynd dashed on Teemo, he would get blinded, just like he gets now. But defeating say a Lissandra, Graves or TF becomes borderline impossible if you can't use Q through minions.

So what could we do to compensate if this change happend? Buff his speed? Than in many matchups he wouldn't need blind at all. Increase his damage output even further? Than laning against him for champions who would still be affected by his blind would mean being poked out of lane even faster than now.

What if it was pass-through skillshot? Do we really want Teemo to have AOE pushing ability? And if it only hurt champions, we are invalidating recently popular Teemo jungle.

His kit is annoying, when you lane against him, but in other ways it's a pretty neat kit with pronounced strengths and weaknesses, and it really delivers on his fantasy. It would be really hard to improve on it without making it Sion-level work.

MaIïk1 votes

Thanks for posting your opinion! Unfortunately I have to agree with you it will be a challenge to rework Teemo :/ By the way, if you would rework Teemo what would you change?

Wild Geese1 votes

Q skillshot is just ick, then he isn't an anti-adc anymore. They'd have to shift that kind of power to somewhere else, like giving his toxic shot a movement speed slow or something, which could make him even worse. I think Teemo is kind of Ok where he is, I agree with you on the Mushrrom disable, though I think it should disable it aside a small area in the middle so it can't be easily walked over.

Erockandroll1 votes

The only problem I have is, Teemo is pretty much perfectly balanced as a guerrilla tactics champion. But it seems like Guerrilla tactics really has no place in the meta. If you can't split push, and you can't teamfight, then you really don't offer enough overt power to the team.

That said, That very kit may actually work in other game modes, where the team breaks apart for more (usually smaller) objectives like relics. So game modes like Dominion or Ascension may favor him better.

Meta Phyton1 votes

Hmm...

I like the idea of reworking him. But that's just in big part 'cause I love to see new fresh ideas come to life.

When you mentioned Teemo's ult, I liked your idea so much that my mind created another.

Was thinking, how cool it would be if Teemo actually had to go and "forage" for his mushrooms, like as his lore suggests.

I was thinking about how it would be neat if Teemo's mushrooms, instead of coming into his hands automatically, popped up around the map similar to Bard's chimes, and the swift scout had to run around the map to collect them before he could toss em where he pleases (ohh and a little extra speed would be a cool thing for that eh? kind of like the boots of mobility, but specifically when he's picking up mushrooms).

That's cute in my mind, but also I like the idea of making his name "the swift scout" actually become a part of his kit, and who knows - maybe if he was a bit scoutier, folks would even find a way to find him endearing like I do.

That's my idea anyway, and I'm sure there's at least 1 way to make it balanced and fair. Why? 'Cause I already thought of it lol.

Meta Phyton1 votes

Oh yeah I forgot to mention - my idea came after I thought about your idea of making his mushies dis-armable. I thought that is cool, but since it would spell a good advantage for the home team ... (actually, I think that's just fair anyway, because a big part of Teemo's contribution to a team fight, right now can be nullified entirely if only 1 champ picks up a free ward upgrade) ... but, just in the name of fairness, I reckoned it makes sense to make getting hands on these undisarmable mushies involve just a bit of effort and time too.

Meta Phyton1 votes

Ohhh my mind is already working more here and I'm getting into the theme of Teemo, the assassin who moonlights as a scouty and awareness widening support!!

Huh .. huh! Possibly, an ability to make him generate his own ward in a cone field ahead of himself? Like, the swift scout puttin up his telescope to see far ahead in an area, to make sure its safe or what?

Teemo is awesome now, I like him a lot, but man I just think he could become even more awesome. Why's anything gotta have a finished point anyway?

zlumpy1 votes

I think his real problem is itemization. There aren't a lot of options for AA mage types that aren't also hybrid items in a way. What if Riot added in a Hurricane but for mages item? That could see some cool new mage play( but probably make azir even stronger so balances would have to thought of)

SwiftKitten881 votes

until stealth gets addressed.. teemo cant really ever be balanced.

right now he isn't great.. but at least he isn't broken....(at least outside of ascension) hopefully during the assassin re-work they will fix the stealth issues then teemo can get some love

MaIïk1 votes

Thanks for leaving your ideas bellow guys, really appreciate it :) Hopefully Riot will notice us.

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