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Problem with Rengar

xxJopexx·9/13/2017, 1:21:00 PM·10 votes·1,895 views

I have played rengar since beginning of the season 6. I fell in love with his play style. Fast combos and getting trophies was so exiting. I have to admit that back then this knife cat was pretty toxic. Idea for a rework sounded pretty good for me, but i think rework was a failure. And i am not alone, most rengar mains did not like the rework. Why rework was a failure?

Q: doesn't fit on assassins kit. Q feels slow and feels clunky.

W: and New trophy hunting: Made bruiser Rengar so much better than the assassin Rengo. You have healing (from your W)and bonus ad just killing enemies (from your passive). That is just stupid.

E: It is fine

R: There is so much wrong with this ability. Free crit, low cdr, HUGE movement speed and long stealth time is not ok.

Ferocity system: I think it is fine. I would just like that you could store your ferocity bit longer than 6 seconds

How i would fix it?

Q: Make it like it used to work. Second auto attack. But just make it a bit weaker and remove the attack speed boost from empowered Q. (Can crit and apply on-hit effects)

W: It deals more dmg to monsters (for a clearing) and it heals you like it used to heal before the rework

E: It is fine

R: Make it REAL stealth (like shaco has), lower the stealth time, give higher cdr and remove the free crit.

Trophy HUNTING: You have to select your target before you get the stack. And you cant get stack from same champ two times in a row 3 TROPHIES: Rengar gains 25 bonus movement speed while out of combat or in brush. 6 TROPHIES: Unseen Predator gains 125 bonus range. 12 TROPHIES: Thrill of the Hunt's duration is increased by 5 seconds. 20 TROPHIES: Thrill of the Hunt's bonus movement speed while stealthed is doubled.

This is just my opinion, feel free to give yours. (Sorry for bad english)

22 Comments

martincastillo29/13/2017, 3:21:51 PM2 votes

Hey, I come from r/rengarmains, and even tho i'd love to see this changes, this is just another "revert rengar" post, and this will never happen

Muzét9/13/2017, 2:40:14 PM2 votes

You have to select your target before you get the stack. And you cant get stack from same champ two times in a row

I despise Kindred's mechanic and I hope to never seen it ever again. (Even for Rengar a champion that I hate with all my guts.)

3 TROPHIES: Rengar gains 25 bonus movement speed while out of combat or in brush. 6 TROPHIES: Unseen Predator gains 125 bonus range. 12 TROPHIES: Thrill of the Hunt's duration is increased by 5 seconds. 20 TROPHIES: Thrill of the Hunt's bonus movement speed while stealthed is doubled.

The old trophies rewards then? I'm not against it. But I wouldn't mind if he gets some bonus AD somewhere.

R: Make it REAL stealth (like shaco has), lower the stealth time, give higher cdr and remove the free crit.

Nope. The point to this ability is to go in. I was getting tired to see rengar use this to escape.

W: and New trophy hunting: Made bruiser Rengar so much better than the assassin Rengo. You have healing (from your W)and bonus ad just killing enemies (from your passive). That is just stupid.

I wouldn't mind changing his W to something giving him a dash ability. But if you do so you might reduce/delete his bush jump passive.

The Ultimator9/13/2017, 3:25:53 PM1 votes

I've been a Rengar main since Season 3. The old one was undoubtedly more fun to play, but lacked counterplay, which the rework solved, but at the cost of making him feel clunky and less fun to play. Here's my thoughts on your suggestions:

Ferocity system: I think it is fine. I would just like that you could store your ferocity bit longer than 6 seconds

Honestly they should revert ferocity back to the old system, but just make it so that you lose all your stacks when ulting. You had to land your skills with the old system to get stacks, the new one takes that away. The current system gives him less depth and rewards bad play, imo.

Q: Make it like it used to work. Second auto attack. But just make it a bit weaker and remove the attack speed boost from empowered Q.

Removing attack speed from Q is probably enough, imo, he shouldn't have high DPS after using his abilities. Could also maybe hit the AD ratio on empowered Q if needed.

W: It deals more dmg to monsters (for a clearing) and it heals you like it used to heal before the rework

Your W sounds good, the current one has far too much power in it and isn't fun to play against.

E is fine as is.

R: Make it REAL stealth (like shaco has), lower the stealth time, give higher cdr and remove the free crit.

I think the CDR on his ult is fine as is. Reduce the range of the alert by say 500 units or so, remove the crit, and call it a day. As much as I'd love to have his stealth back, I'm not sure if that would be overturned or not.

Trophy HUNTING: You have to select your target before you get the stack. And you cant get stack from same champ two times in a row 3 TROPHIES: Rengar gains 25 bonus movement speed while out of combat or in brush. 6 TROPHIES: Unseen Predator gains 125 bonus range. 12 TROPHIES: Thrill of the Hunt's duration is increased by 5 seconds. 20 TROPHIES: Thrill of the Hunt's bonus movement speed while stealthed is doubled.

I liked the old bonetooth better as well and the new one has too much power in it. Agree with you here.

Kloqdq9/13/2017, 5:26:21 PM1 votes

Let's balance rengar like a diver rather than an assassin since his kit has always been designed as a diver, someone who go in the heat of it and fights it out - tooth and nail - not a little bitch that one shoots people and tries to run away. He fails as an assassin and always will with the current design. He is a diver and always has.

i cant move wtf9/13/2017, 5:32:09 PM1 votes

I kind of agree. His new kit is inherently the same as his old kit just slower. It's the same deal, if he gets ahead he deletes people before they can react and if he's behind he's pretty useless. I don't feel like the rework made his kit more interactive like it was supposedly designed to do.

Fear the Kayn9/13/2017, 7:44:04 PM1 votes

Honestly, id like to see them remove the ult crit, and change his Q back to the oooold Q (the patch where he got buffed after release). His kit honestly has a ton of counterplay, and now that he truly classified as an assassin, he deserves his old super Q back. Change his ult to give you ferocity as well.

Liquid Poro 9/14/2017, 3:37:13 AM1 votes

I love old rework cause I can 1 shot people.

MLDzXnRRR9/14/2017, 6:17:05 AM1 votes

I like the new Q (it is good in teamfight) - with the old one you had only 1 viable build, because the dmg got nerfed to the ground. The new ferocity system made Rengar boring and dumb to play. His W also makes no sense - why not make it a fear or something cool? Ult is OK, not great (Twitch needs heavy nerfs and increased camouflage detection range)

yurkoon12/1/2018, 2:40:18 PM1 votes

hehe

bleufromage9/13/2017, 3:06:11 PM1 votes

Basically your just saying to revert him and slap on some bells/whistles from other champs.I can't say I wholly disagree because I like the d rengar but let's be real about what your saying. Also the reason they made him this way is they didn't want old rengar who glcould 100-0 a backline from true stealth with 0 counterplay. He was toxic as assassin. I liked his old kit but prefered to play him bruiser then. It's no fun to run in kill a squishy and then die and let your team clean up.