Mana based champions have one disadvantage over energy based

LoLwaste of time·12/2/2019, 6:51:25 AM·33 votes·8,127 views

Mana refilling when being at base.

I just tested Lux in practice tools. Lvl 18 without items. It takes about 10 seconds to fill the mana which means you have to wait for such long time to be ready to play , when champions like zed or akali can play immediately.

Edit: tested with items: lvl 6 (doran's ring) - 11 seconds, lvl 18 with full items - 13 seconds.

43 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon12/2/2019, 8:34:24 AM16 votes

That'd definitely be a nice change. It takes ages at times for mana to get back.

I get why it has long delays early, but it should definitely take less time later in the game.

Ore wa LeBlanc12/2/2019, 7:37:02 AM7 votes

I thought I was the only one! When you recall your mana takes SO long to recharge like wtf!

Hexshot12/2/2019, 8:20:23 AM6 votes

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C0NCH0BAR12/2/2019, 8:47:44 AM4 votes

Though an interesting point, I can see why that advantage is had. Building up that pool for spammable abilities should take more time than energy based units who have to carefully calculate just how much energy they need for the combo they want to execute. If energy pools grew over the game I'm sure they'd have just the same problem.

KFCeytron12/2/2019, 8:57:00 AM4 votes

Yeah, when Zed or Akali have to recall due to being out of energy, they can buy items and then get going immediately.

The thigh guy12/2/2019, 3:50:56 PM3 votes

Also having actual cooldowns?

Cancer Lux12/2/2019, 1:29:47 PM2 votes

The 10 second mana heal is that with or without homeguard(20 minute). Pretty sure past 20 minutes its like 3 seconds to top you off.

Also with or without items isnt it always 10 seconds. Fountain heals 8.4% hp and mp a sec.

Pierce The Veal12/2/2019, 9:11:00 AM2 votes

More than a mana vs energy champ think, I feel like it’s an unfair advantage to resourceless champions.

Technically that’s the tradeoff for energy champions (they gain the same % energy regen in fountain but they already have very high regen). They suck at prolonged combat where mana users prevail, but are better at short skirmishes early on.

ranga11612/2/2019, 12:23:26 PM2 votes

But unlike energy based champs mana champs can stay on the map for 40 minutes because they don't actually have a mana cost and their items give them thousands of mana

Woodakoodashooda12/2/2019, 10:17:55 PM2 votes

The mana refill at fountain is so bad that you can't even teleport back to lane until your mana is nearly full because you will otherwise land yourself at half or barely above half full mana.

CourtWizardAhri12/2/2019, 5:45:14 PM1 votes

Yeah i've noticed sometimes even after purchasing items I have a solid 4 - 6 seconds to just chill in fountain, but I like it this way since I get to inspect the enemies items and my teams, as well as their gameplay. Usually giving me time to just auto walk back to tower and more time to just observe the overall situation of the game mid - late game.

EDIT: Nah played a few games yesterday, 4-6 is fine if you also need some gold for a vision ward or something but most of the time it is quite the cs killer.

Pizza the Man12/2/2019, 7:55:35 PM1 votes

zed uses energy AND has a dash to get to lane even faster....... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. bonus points for mobility boots and or ghostblade

Teémò12/2/2019, 8:19:27 PM1 votes

when its faster to get to lane by executing so you don't have to wait on 20 seconds of backing and mana regen. summoner 13

GFREEMEN12/2/2019, 8:55:11 PM1 votes

I dont know why they even have Energy champs. Just make then CD champs and be done with it.

Saezio12/3/2019, 8:21:06 PM1 votes

Well, on the other hand, mana means you can have a larger pool and regeneration through items whereas total energy and energy regen can't be altered, (except with new PoM, but only the pool's size even then).

Also, when you checked for the level 18 with full items, what was the game time? I was under the impression after 20 mins or so the regen increases a good amount

Edit: just checked in practice tool, it took me 4 seconds to get to full mana from 0 with lux(minute 21, level 18). What is this post?

FSRER12/2/2019, 11:02:52 AM1 votes

Yeah it got phantom nerfed