Why is fizz's E allowed to exist in the game ?

MonsefMA··3 votes·734 views

So lets talk about fizz's kit, his E Playful / Trickster in particular lets lay down its specifics,

  1. what is can't dodge its can't dodge a few things
  • fiddlesticks drain
  • brand's passive
  • Swain Q and E
  • teemo's poison
  • Malzahar space aids
  • tristana E
  • DOTS (damage over time)

2.what it can dodge

  • EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WHOLE GAME

3.its damage 70 / 120 / 170 / 220 / 270 (+ 75% AP) and 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60% slow

OK now that the specifics are outta the way, lets talk about the ability itself

now there is no other ability that lets you dodge almost everything except Vladimir W, Zonyah's and bard R and THATS IT, riot has made it clear that turret shots should never be dodge by making every other shielding ability like yasuo's wind wall or braum unbreakable Not dodge turrets, but they STILL make it dodge turret shots, and ok, i can get over that, BUT it deals so much damage ok, lets take a general full build fizz

  • Lich Bane
  • Rabadon's deathcap
  • Void staff
  • Rylai's Crystal Scepter
  • Sorcerer's Shoes/Mercury's Treads

now by then, the fizz will have about 650 AP (correct me if I'm wrong) Now at max rank it will deal 270 magic damage + 70% ap = 757 MAGIC DAMAGE AND IT SLOWS SO YOU CAN SHUT THEM DOWN IF IT DIDNT ALREADY DELETE THEM FROM THE CODE OF THE GAME + IT DODGES ALMOST EVERYTHING AND THATS NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE REST OF HIS FUCKING KIT

I'm mad, riot, this is inexcusable, it should deal this much damage :)

delete Fizz from the game

14 Comments

archerno16 votes

Because he is squishy melee AP assassin without ANY range ability. He must have some sort of safe escape.

Talon- has range harass that helps him farm Zed- shurikens Diana- Q Akali- Q And so on

Almost every other squishy melee have ability to farm safely.

If Fizz didnt have untargetable E, how would he survive all in from : Syndra, Annie, Zed, TF and all other champions that have non skillshot abilities? He wouldnt be able to farm, trade or do anything in lane.

MonsefMA1 votes

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Because he is squishy melee AP assassin without ANY range ability. He must have some sort of safe escape.

Talon- has range harass that helps him farm Zed- shurikens Diana- Q Akali- Q And so on

Almost every other squishy melee have ability to farm safely.

If Fizz didnt have untargetable E, how would he survive all in from : Syndra, Annie, Zed, TF and all other champions that have non skillshot abilities? He wouldnt be able to farm, trade or do anything in lane.

yes I'm with you but don't let him dodge everything in the game including turret shots and deal amazing amounts of damage, it doest feel fair

archerno11 votes

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yes I'm with you but don't let him dodge everything in the game including turret shots and deal amazing amounts of damage, it doest feel fair

Dont get me wrong. Fizz is champion i hate laning against the most. Only champion i can shit on him is Morgana. It doesnt break everything tho. Fiddle Drain , Swain Decrepify still damage him. He cant E if he is rooted. Also his jump is not that far, so u can collapse on him after. Also u CAN avoid damage from it with dashes, if u know when to use it. He is also very dependant on his combo, and Zhonya can deny it fully.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

{quoted}

Because he is squishy melee AP assassin without ANY range ability. He must have some sort of safe escape.

Talon- has range harass that helps him farm Zed- shurikens Diana- Q Akali- Q And so on

Almost every other squishy melee have ability to farm safely.

If Fizz didnt have untargetable E, how would he survive all in from : Syndra, Annie, Zed, TF and all other champions that have non skillshot abilities? He wouldnt be able to farm, trade or do anything in lane.

Talon's W is terrible lane harass and farming tool because it costs so much mana and does no damage at low rank and without AD.

Nameless Voice3 votes

Because Riot have not yet realised that play negation is not a healthy gameplay mechanic.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG79QPAs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-16T15:38:56.447+0000)

Because Riot have not yet realised that play negation is not a healthy gameplay mechanic.

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Nameless Voice1 votes

A really expensive item with a huge cooldown that has the side-effect of locking you in place for the duration, allowing enemies to close in around you?

Yes, it's play negation, but a lot less unhealthy because of the high costs and risks associated with using it.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG79QPAs,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-16T19:12:13.853+0000)

A really expensive item with a huge cooldown that has the side-effect of locking you in place for the duration, allowing enemies to close in around you?

Yes, it's play negation, but a lot less unhealthy because of the high costs and risks associated with using it.

Really expensive.

Its 3500. That is less than pretty much every top tier AD item

Long CD

Oh stuff it. 90 seconds isn't long. It is gonna be up every minute and a half. its pretty much up all the time.

side-effect of locking you in place for the duration, allowing enemies to close in around you? Stop pretending this is a valid argument,

Poor use of an active gets you screwed? you don't say.

MonsefMA1 votes

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Its 3500. That is less than pretty much every top tier AD item

Oh stuff it. 90 seconds isn't long. It is gonna be up every minute and a half. its pretty much up all the time. Stop pretending this is a valid argument,

Poor use of an active gets you screwed? you don't say.

it locks you in place, and most of the time its not as good as fizz E, i can't even count the number of times I've used zonyah's and still died because i get surrounded by the enemy team

Nahui3 votes

Only slows if directly up and down. Not if he covets any distance like it typically is.

Fisherman Fízz3 votes

Lets not forget that Fizz E is his escape and one of his main damage sources, once he uses E he becomes vulnerable to all in. 757 damage isn't that much if you add MR stats, most adc's now have around 100MR lategame due to mercurial scimitar or even maw of malmortius on their build.

Thank you.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fisherman Fízz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG79QPAs,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-16T16:06:31.136+0000)

Lets not forget that Fizz E is his escape and one of his main damage sources, once he uses E he becomes vulnerable to all in. 757 damage isn't that much if you add MR stats, most adc's now have around 100MR lategame due to mercurial scimitar or even maw of malmortius on their build.

Thank you.

Fizz doesn't need it to kill squishies tho. He can gib them with just Q-W auto.

IAMS4T4N1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fisherman Fízz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG79QPAs,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-16T16:06:31.136+0000)

Lets not forget that Fizz E is his escape and one of his main damage sources, once he uses E he becomes vulnerable to all in. 757 damage isn't that much if you add MR stats, most adc's now have around 100MR lategame due to mercurial scimitar or even maw of malmortius on their build.

Thank you.

he becomes vulnerable for 2 second ssuch large window of time wow

idk why everyone on this board has a boner for fizz. he isnt even a waifu

MonsefMA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fisherman Fízz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EG79QPAs,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-16T16:06:31.136+0000)

Lets not forget that Fizz E is his escape and one of his main damage sources, once he uses E he becomes vulnerable to all in. 757 damage isn't that much if you add MR stats, most adc's now have around 100MR lategame due to mercurial scimitar or even maw of malmortius on their build.

Thank you.

oh well, now QSS doesn't remove fizz's ult

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