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Guinsoos is a broken item

Rejecks·3/18/2019, 6:19:02 PM·55 votes·16,725 views

I understand the concept of the item Guinsoos rageblade and I like the idea behind it...but as the game goes by more and more champions are finding a use for this item that makes their kits undeniably unbalanced because of the amount of champions in the game that can dish out a considerable amount of true damage, not only from their kits but now from a rune that anyone has the option of taking (conqueror). Riot has ignored this fact for some reason or to my knowledge neglected to do anything about it because they keep on adding true damage to the game. A Vayne has passive true damage that deals a considerable amount as it is, now when she builds guinsoos rageblade, her W ability is doubled.. dealing true damage more consistently and the champion is arguable very strong because of this and it is safe to say that Vayne's kit is very unbalanced with this item. There are complaints about Jax's power 1-2 items in, one of these being guinsoos rageblade. Yet again another champion that takes conqueror and builds into rageblade and snowballs beyond control. This situation needs to be addressed please because it is making the game unbalanced and very difficult to enjoy.

56 Comments

Frosted Tips3/18/2019, 7:41:26 PM56 votes

Guinsoo's is not broken. Phantom Hits is what breaks this game. It broke Sated Devourer and now it broke Guinsoo's. Phantom Hits need to go and pre Tiamat effect Guinsoo's needs to comeback.

koshkyra3/18/2019, 6:55:53 PM13 votes

Guinsoos is a good idea with poor execution.

Derp Princess3/18/2019, 7:18:44 PM13 votes

It's unbalanced, unfair, and braindead.

Seenan3/18/2019, 11:35:07 PM8 votes

Everything about the item is fine, but Phantom Blade.

Cronofuge3/18/2019, 9:30:23 PM7 votes

Phantom hit, while really cool, just creates huge imbalances in kits and has champions nerfed so that they depend on it, but suck without it. Vayne doesn't really follow that rule since she can just default back to crit but I agree that the passive has overstayed it's welcome.

XxKillerBeexX3/18/2019, 6:49:19 PM6 votes

preach jax still can be taken out but vayne goes invis does our whole hp bar in 3 autos not fun

Rebonack3/19/2019, 4:59:43 AM5 votes

Phantom Hit makes it difficult to balance OnHit focused champions and makes adding new OnHit effects to the game incredibly hazardous.

For the health of the game it should be replaced with something else. I would favor OnHit damage that scales off AP (physical OnHit) and bonus AD (magic OnHit). That allows it to keep its identity as the hybrid equivalent of Infinity Edge or Deathcap.

Mr Bob Boberson3/18/2019, 8:21:15 PM5 votes

It's kinda like Spear of Shoijin, it's a niche item that makes a select few characters rather overpowered

Ulquiorra01233/19/2019, 2:15:26 PM3 votes

Have we considered that maybe conqueror shouldn't do true damage and heal...

Sleep On Stream3/18/2019, 8:31:31 PM3 votes

remove it

5050BS3/19/2019, 5:16:09 AM3 votes

All of the "Ghost hit" items of the past were too. Riot does not understand balance.

Doombot3/20/2019, 12:50:05 PM2 votes

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0Hawke3/18/2019, 8:52:37 PM2 votes

They should redo all the items again...

Sucction3/19/2019, 4:36:53 AM2 votes

I don't think it's an issue on Jax, just because he doesn't really have the space or budget for it. He tends to want other items more, sooner, and so doesn't ever end up grabbing rageblade.

I do agree that it's a big issue on Yi and Vayne, though. Yi thankfully isn't overpowered with it, but he's definitely very unhealthy and breaks a lot of rules in the game, like him being able to fight literally any non-Jax bruiser no matter how fed they are after he hits 2 items.

Vayne does that too, though, and she's definitely the biggest offender. Even without rageblade she'd still be the most undeniably broken ADC, but with it she's fucking bonkers. It needs to be addressed, maybe nerfed or potentially even melee only with something being worked out for Kog'Maw, who would be gutted otherwise. While we're at it I'm certain Vayne's Q cd buff could be reverted without issue. She was balanced before it came in, not sure why she was buffed in the first place.

Now that I think about it, didn't she just get a really expensive skin?

...Oh.

Anivia Hentai3/19/2019, 2:21:34 PM2 votes

Literally just remove it, the game doenst need it AT ALL

HAHAHAHAHAHAaaHa3/19/2019, 12:44:17 AM1 votes

it's a STUPID item who should get removed

UrFieryDoom3/19/2019, 7:38:09 AM1 votes

Riot this is proof they will always complain... Now to your post! Look, there are champions that need guinsoos(Yi, Vayne). They aint removing dusklblade because you don't like it.

Neptunia xoxo3/18/2019, 11:50:16 PM1 votes

Been saying it for idk how many years... Delete the item if you have to try and change it every season and still fuck it up. Most simple thing ever and they refuse to do it.

AirKingNeo3/18/2019, 10:15:42 PM1 votes

How is the item broken if only 1 single champion is broken using it?

Mokuto Bunshi3/19/2019, 2:25:57 PM1 votes

Also, lets not forget Aatrox was changed to Bbtrox once he was making use of this item because a 'life stealing auto attacker is too hard to balance'.

Devilangel61613/19/2019, 3:13:19 PM1 votes

Rageblade is not a freaking problem, especially in its % pen state. Vayne is coming to prevelence because of it, but you still see ezreal, Cait, Ashe and jinx. Jax is coming back to prevelence because of it, but you still see riven yasuo, renekton and others.

It's not skewing the meta other than it gives picking a tank more of a risk. Rageblade is why we are not in a top jungle tank only meta. If it was truly broken every champ that can even slightly abuse it would be running it every game and we wouldn't see anyone that couldn't in those roles.

Stop moaning about everything for crying out loud

CooliusToolius3/19/2019, 3:15:42 PM1 votes

I stan

Kadexe3/19/2019, 5:08:39 PM1 votes

Phantom hit makes you proc on-hit effects twice every other attack. It doesn't "double" Vayne's Silver Bolts, it procs it 50% faster. And only after she has Rageblade stacked. It's not broken.

Also, I rarely see Jax build Rageblade. There are better items for him.

Brutalistica3/19/2019, 6:49:45 PM1 votes

I'm guilty of building this on LuLu cause it's so good [sg-lulu]

KoggyStyle3/19/2019, 3:40:28 AM1 votes

Gnars prolly the only %hp dmg champ thats semi balenced due to rage, coming out of mega tho.....