I'm gonna keep it short and sweet.
Taking away Ahri's 20% damage increase to charmed targets, OK doesn't bother me. But giving it to Fizz, and on his ult? The ult that already does 200 damage(+1 AP) when first leveled.
If this buff is to remain I would like to see and increase in cool down on Fizz's ult.
Also I recognize that I'm not knowledgeable about ratio's and the like so I am open to a difference of opinions/explanations.
Aaravos2 votesYou want to nerf Fizz more? They completely demolished his ap ratios. This 20% damage modifier don't rly help him, you can just ignore it completely for 1200 gold (WP RITO). He deserve a buff now not a nerf.
I The Duke I1 votesI think he is still a very strong character. From my perspective these small nerfs do not really hurt him, especially with his kit.
SouL1ess2 votesYes it does.
Shark can be removed by QSS or Zhonyas, and if the shark does not hit, you lose over 600 base damage and 1.4*AP ratio in your kit, making you the most underpowered assassin.
For reference, Zed's base damage is over 1000 as long as he autoattacks once in his combo (without double shuriken). Talon's base damage is among the highest in the assassin block for minimum effort, with 1200 base damage. For Fizz, his base damage WITH LICHBANE sits at around 1120, which is only average for assassins. But if he does not have a 20% damage bonus on his ult, his base damage falls to 800 - way too low for an assassin.
Additionally, Riot made it so that Q is worthless to rank, while you cannot trade with any AD mid because you cannot spam E for damage (you run OOM faster than they run out of health) and you also cannot trade with them using W because they have stronger autoattacks and they still have actual spell damage available to them. Fizz wasn't a good mid against AD mids, now he doesn't have any presence in a vs. AD assassin lane.
Aaravos1 votesHis base damage is fine as it is until he scales properly. But in this patch they stupidly nerfed his ratios and made is q easily dodgeable. If they make his q faster and give him back some ratio Fizz would be fine.
SouL1ess2 votesHis total ratio got nerfed by 0.05*AP. Which is not a lot.
Again, what got nerfed (down to the ground) is his base kit ratios on Q and W, making Fizz extremely dependent on an ult that is not very reliable and can be dispelled. It's the difficulty at which he can execute his combo that undermines him.
I The Duke I1 votesNice responses. Very informative and revealed some aspects that I had been missing.
Aaravos1 votesThey destroyed his late game with this nerf. Champs like Fizz can not be viable without strong late game scaling, since his early is a trash. Because of his generally stong kit he is still playable but not rly worth to pick him atm. They should give him back some ratio on his active w.
TeemoJenkins2 votesFrom what I've seen Fizz's bandwagon freelo's all jumped ship and only the truly skilled continue playing him. I think he's in a good place now.
I The Duke I1 votesAgreed. Now that you mention it I have noticed the decrease.
Fizz is not Fish2 votesNerf a 42% winrate champ? Better nerf Irelia.
Kuroi861 votesMaking Fizz ult reliant with the damage amp opens him up for Riot to reduce the damage on his abilities some while keeping him viable as an assassin thanks to his ult. Truthfully I think making all assassins ult reliant is one of the best ideas.
Aaravos1 votesthen remove qss and its fine. There is no counter play for assasins against qss. and its cost is 1200 gold. You can also buy mercurial so adcs nos suffer hard ad lose if they buy the qss. You can just get it as second item end laugh into the face of every debuff, cc dependent champ.
Kuroi861 votesQSS is a good item, but it's expensive, if an assassin has already gotten a kill on you and you're behind and need a QSS to catch back up, then it's a good item, though it's more about how you play than how you build. Add to that, if you're ahead, it's really a money sink that does you no good. Another thing to consider, as an ADC, picking up Mercurial really puts you behind on your build and hurts your mid game damage and can put your team REALLY behind, you have no idea how necessary that crit is these days.
Juggernaut6281 votesThey nerfed Fizz to increase his single target damage and nerf his multi target damage. Riot would never nerf him further than they did anytime soon.