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Shield Bash should have another activation condition

Salvor Hardın·Nov 27, 2018·4 votes·1,533 views

Before I begin, I leave here what the rune does:

Effects While shielded, gain 1 - 10 bonus Armor and Magic Resist based on Level.

Whenever you gain a new shield, your next basic attack against a champion deals 4 - 22 [+1.5% bonus] (+8.5% New Shield Amount) bonus adaptive damage.

You have up to 2s after the shield expires to use this effect.

First, how many champions can't activate this rune with their skills?

#110

And how many can?

#37

At first glance, it's not a bad number, but if we start reviewing case by case....

We have 6 champs that these shields are passive or very difficult to take advantage of the rune. (I don't know if the passive counts)

We've got 31 left.

Others would be illogical to use this rune in this branch, like W+AA? E+AA? ¿Lantern + AA? R?

I could go on and on with rare examples, like Ekko with his W or Ryze, but that's not the point.

In the end this rune is only viable for 15-20 champions, mostly supports that apply shields, and even for those who can apply it, the Resolve branch is not the best for those champions.

So I suggest, somehow, this rune can be applied by more champions.

https://i.imgur.com/QlXHcYf.png

TL:DR Shield Bash can only be useful in a low percentage of champions (15% approx) and I think that the activation conditions should be changed to make it for more champions.

10 Comments

Critmaster GarenNov 27, 20181 votes

im not sure if something changed, but on the pbe ornn lost his shield.

nunus shield only applies during his ult channel, so i dont think he can proc the rune either, since the channel takes longer than the 2 seconds he has to auto attack after gaining the shield. might be wrong about this, if the timer starts after the shield ends.

OleandervineNov 27, 20181 votes

How many of those champions can be shielded by allies like Shen, Janna, or Karma though? Or by Locket of the Iron Solari?

The rune is actually fine as it is. It's niche, as runes should be. Runes should be tailored to your individual and the game at hand. Have a Janna supporting you? Shield Bash is a great idea. Are you Kai'Sa, who can dash in and supremely benefit from added defenses and an AA modifier? It's a great idea. Runes shouldn't be wholly universal so that they become monstrosities like Dark Harvest is at the moment. They need clear moments that make them viable, and clear compositions where they work the best. Shield Bash actually accomplishes this, and of the rune changes this Preseason, its' been the most balanced and the least exploited.

Salvor HardınNov 27, 20181 votes

I didn't understand exactly what your point is, but I don't see a game where a Top Mid or Jungle equips a rune because it has a support with a shield, and I don't think the rune is strong enough for the ADs to carry the Resolve branch.

OleandervineNov 27, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAtgBnuy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-11-27T16:08:21.585+0000)

I didn't understand exactly what your point is, but I don't see a game where a Top Mid or Jungle equips a rune because it has a support with a shield, and I don't think the rune is strong enough for the ADs to carry the Resolve branch.

My point is that the rune is niche. It has select, specific uses. It's not omnipotent. Omnipotence makes runes overblown and too universal, and removes the purpose of tailoring your rune build to your champion and game. Niche runes are better in that regard because they can be allowed to have stronger windows of power because of how selective they are in use.

And to your point, most mids don't use auto attacks, so wouldn't take the rune anyway, and top laners would probably prefer Demolish over it for tower pressure, since most tend to build higher HP or are tanks. As I noted, the rune is niche, it has it's specific uses. I don't think it needs a universal activation, because that will simply add more unnecessary damage creep to an already gigantic selection of damage based runes that most people can use.

And also, you forget Sterak's and Malortius exist. Those are two shields right there that a majority of melee champions LOVE building. I also just forgot about Seraph's Embrace, another massive shield, and this is one mages can use. So there are shield options to help proc this.

The BarnacleNov 27, 20181 votes

The thing that confuses me most, is that this ability sounds perfect for Leona, but Leona has no way of using it. She has a shield, and she wants to bash people with her shield, but yet this ability has no way of proc'ing with her. If only Leona's W where the sun shields you with bonus armor/MR, if that counted as shielding, I'd want to use this on her. But it's not considered that type of shield, so Leona can't use a shield bash.

Salvor HardınNov 27, 20181 votes

It is one of the points, I main Rammus for example, and as jungle Demolish is not the best option.

AlzonNov 27, 20182 votes

An easy workaround would be to make her Q grant her a 1 HP shield on cast. Same for Braum’s E. They would only get the base damage from the rune, though.

A better fix would be to rework parts of their kits to fit in an actual shield.

Press Q WinNov 27, 20181 votes

Shield bash is niche but right now it's weak and useless next to demolish... wich should be nerfed or removed entirely because Int sion exist thanks to demolish..

SqoNov 27, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAtgBnuy,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-27T15:56:54.697+0000)

Before I begin, I leave here what the rune does:

First, how many champions can't activate this rune with their skills?

#110

And how many can?

#37

At first glance, it's not a bad number, but if we start reviewing case by case....

We have 6 champs that these shields are passive or very difficult to take advantage of the rune. (I don't know if the passive counts)

We've got 31 left.

Others would be illogical to use this rune in this branch, like W+AA? E+AA? ¿Lantern + AA? R?

I could go on and on with rare examples, like Ekko with his W or Ryze, but that's not the point.

In the end this rune is only viable for 15-20 champions, mostly supports that apply shields, and even for those who can apply it, the Resolve branch is not the best for those champions.

So I suggest, somehow, this rune can be applied by more champions.

https://i.imgur.com/QlXHcYf.png

TL:DR Shield Bash can only be useful in a low percentage of champions (15% approx) and I think that the activation conditions should be changed to make it for more champions.

My theory is riot needed a way to directly buff poppy, and that's honestly the only reason that keystone was created

True GarenNov 30, 20186 votes

{quoted}

My theory is riot needed a way to directly buff poppy, and that's honestly the only reason that keystone was created

It's not a keystone.

It's too difficult for Poppy to reliably proc.

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