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Bard needs a buff

pearlesent··3 votes·992 views

Okay so with the Taric rework it basically made bard useless because bard's kit compared to every healing supp (mainly Taric) sucks first off his heal takes a crap load of mana and doesn't heal much either plus on top of that his healing shrines can be destroyed compared to taric and soraka who both can heal for a lot and in soraka's case is instant and doesn't take time and taric's first off can be destroyed and is in an aoe and can be caste on top of the target and the time it takes to reach a full charge can be reduced by casting other spells then there's bard's stun it is hard to hit much harder than taric's and it can only stun 2 to 1 person/people while taric's is easy to hit and stuns any thing it hits bards magical journey is the only move that bard has that doesn't get out ranked by any other champion then there is his ult i feel its under powered especially compared to kayle taric and tryndamere who have the ability to move around and attack and why is it just an aoe zhonya's hour glass it would be much better if bard could interact with people in his ult like being able to cast a spell like his stun in which it would affect the units hit by it after its duration or having the ability to use his meeps to do damage (but not his regular basic attacks) but i also like the idea of being able to "stun" a tower without the ohmwrecker and his ultimate is good for stealing baron and dragon

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pearlesent2 votes

bruh i play bard a lot i know and comparing him to every other healing supp hes the worst i know some one has to be the worst but if there is a big gap in between them then there is something wrong and ranged harass is not going to make a big difference if u can ult and Gian invincibility or grant it to your entire team and his meeps take time to recharge and are useless if u don't leave lane so the ranged harass is not there either becuase your not going to be in lane and he has a lot of problems being a good supp because of this

Kai Guy1 votes

I disagree on every point you have raised once agian. Becuase every one is showing a misuse of his gameplay and abilitys. Your looking at spamming his heal with no growth time, thats not how you shoud use his heal. If you have a stack of 3 shrines that had growen then you have a 690 flat heal with an additional 1.8 ap scaling that can be cast with no grow for an additional 150 with .3 scaling. This is unlikely to happen but you should still have 1-2 shrines down at any time in risky areas, its not an ability you hold onto becuase your worried it will be on cd in a fight. He has solid harass in lane. Not the best but not remotely near the bottom, unless your Q aim is bad. His R is almost always better off used as an engagment tool or as CC in teamfight, unless its to burn out some ones ultiduration that would otherwise wreck the fight Galio Fiddlesticks Amumu Kennen for example. IF you leave lane every time a chime spawns your bad, if your oom and leave to get chimes its a lot faster to return compared to any other sup whod have to back then return to lane. Learn when to stay and when to roam.

Cloud2731 votes

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I disagree on every point you have raised once agian. Becuase every one is showing a misuse of his gameplay and abilitys. Your looking at spamming his heal with no growth time, thats not how you shoud use his heal. If you have a stack of 3 shrines that had growen then you have a 690 flat heal with an additional 1.8 ap scaling that can be cast with no grow for an additional 150 with .3 scaling. This is unlikely to happen but you should still have 1-2 shrines down at any time in risky areas, its not an ability you hold onto becuase your worried it will be on cd in a fight. He has solid harass in lane. Not the best but not remotely near the bottom, unless your Q aim is bad. His R is almost always better off used as an engagment tool or as CC in teamfight, unless its to burn out some ones ultiduration that would otherwise wreck the fight Galio Fiddlesticks Amumu Kennen for example. IF you leave lane every time a chime spawns your bad, if your oom and leave to get chimes its a lot faster to return compared to any other sup whod have to back then return to lane. Learn when to stay and when to roam.

It's not that people are playing him wrong. It's the fact that he has too much counterplay in his kit. They should just make it so enemy champions can't see where his chimes are. This would fix so many issues. Instead of knowing exactly where he has to go to collect them, you have to guess. And his portal doesn't do him any favors either, since for some reason enemies are allowed to walk through it. And enemies can destroy his health shrines (and there's a limit to how many he can have, and the ability has a VERY high mana cost). Riot just really hates Bard for some reason. He's like the Irelia of supports.

Kai Guy1 votes

Portal baiting folks into your team is a thing thou, and it sets up very easy Q stuns, and you move thru it faster then enemy champs so you gain some distance on them as well. His high mp costs are offset if you get a bit of mp off an item because you get % mp returns per chime collected. I still dont get why this is so difficult for folks to get. Chimes last 10 min as well so there is no rush to grab them.

pearlesent1 votes

u act like people fall for that u forget there not going against bots bard will fall off if the enemy team has any common sense like if the enemy team is missing and this bard just place a portal down hmmm may be i should go in, and his stun only affects one person so if there are multiple people which there will be if your bottom lane and if the supp goes through first and u stun him then the adc goes through and your dead or u put your self in a position to lose a good amount of health and if u also the enemy jungle could be near by and then if u do happen to stun bith of them u still have lost due to the jungler and u cant get health back due to not being near a charged shrine

Kai Guy1 votes

People fall for it, go for it, you have a huge number of viable excape routes if you keep good wards and position smart. I cant speak for diamond but i have dragged players into 3v2, towers, fountian, angry barrons and a walls stun many many many times. It dont have to be a 1 or 2 into all 4 folks, a number advantage or location advantage is all you really need. If you can take the hit or two form the first person out of tunnels, you really should not have a bad time landing a double stun. it lines them up for you, you know how close to ecthother they are and thus the time required to land the Q. If ya dont use it right thats on you.
Tunnel smart, you really should not be getting yourself hambushed by enemy jungler unless you made a really really really derpy chime collecting run on enemy side with little to no vision . If folks gonna be on your ass, best to use E to position them into areas that promote you not becomeing dead/ get them dead.

E smarter, thats the trick. Drag them over longer distances where the MS boost it gives matters, use a self cast W to get some MS. Land the Q as they leave or if its smarter to wait for a double. cast an R to land just pixes behind you to lock folks down.

Also looked up your bard histroy. Please consider not going to build item 3116 on bard. Its passive becomes completely useless after 45 charms (24-30 ish min of game time pending on collections) there is a 1.5 duration for single targets and a 1 second for multi target aoe abilitys. Slows do not over lap. At level 4 Q the slow and duration override scepters passive, and at 45 chimes the meeps slow does it as well. His WER will not trigger it. The AP on it is also a good chunk of its gold effency and its less then ideal due to only haveing scaling on his Q passive and W, all of which are pretty bad ratios. Skip it and go for items that provide for your teammates OR cdr. Also dont get item 3285 becuase his ap scaling is bad and adding 100 pre midigated damage plus .1 ap scaling every 100 charges is also less then ideal. On the topic of critiques may i suggest switching to Thunderlords over Windspeakers blessing. You have a heal on a fairly long and its only usefull re actively, But Tloards adds a fair bit of harassin into his Q auto Meep pattern. His early game low MP and low damage are a bit of an issue, which is why i run summoner 14 over summoner 3 Yea exhaust is cool vs some champs but most the time cc from Q and R should do the trick. Better to make an early game for your lane.

Kai Guy1 votes

Guess your done with this thread or not near a computer. Word. Be well random stranger have nice day.

Dasdi961 votes

Dude bard has already been bufffed countless times. It is just that most of his playerbase play him just for his trolling capability. Not to nemtion bard has ranged harass and taric does not.

Estas Perdido1 votes

LOL

Kai Guy1 votes

Bard recovers manna for free, his heal also has a utility aspect in how it increases move speed. You should be keeping a few of them up in a good retreat path for your adc, and easily recover the mp off 2-4 ish chimes. Now yes bards heal is one of the least powerful heals in the game, but you do not pick bard for his heals, if your comps like OHHH DAAYUM WE NEED DEM HEALS. Bard is not the guy, thats when you go and get the heal bot Soraka.

Next up Taric stun vs bard Q. Tarics stuns a good bit easyer to land, but you get two casts of a Bard Q and has an extra 0.3 seconds duration resulting in 2.1 extra seconds of hard cc compaired to a taric in teamfights and the only requirement is that your not crap at skillshots. This makes it a better ability for peeling, more so when you combine it with rest of his kit. (low heal still gives ms, passive ends up with a good slow, R freazes folks.)

Finaly his R. You can gank, you can cut off escape paths, you can turn towers off which swaps their aggro, you can cc the back line of an enemy team with it. This ability is amazing, its utility and number of uses is fantastic. If your only looking at I CAST THIS ON TEAM SO TEHY NOT DIE then yea its not as good as the others, but if you add in the other ways its usable its vastly superior. Agian like Q requires you to use it well but if one cant thats on them, not the champ.

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