Everyone is building Guinsoo's Rageblade

TanzLeona·Dec 6, 2015·9 votes·2,742 views

It started with some top laners building and easily winning the game, such as , , and sometimes .

Riot nerfed it by raising the price by 300 g. But that didn't change much. Instead, everyone started building rageblade: , , , , , and so on, all aiming at a crazy attack speed (and AoE auto attack damage). 8 stacks cap is probably too high for this item. Whoever uses a fairly amount AA builds Rageblade now, no matter how well it fits the champion.

It's very frustrating to fight against those champions. They kill you in no time with the crazy AS. Frozen heart helps only a little bit, but it's impossible to let everyone build or . Nerf again please rito.

57 Comments

kaltenashesDec 6, 20156 votes

for the first time this item is worth buying and people are crying...buff it even more

TanzLeonaDec 8, 20151 votes

a 1/3 health XinZhao 1v3 triple killed Kassadin , Sona and Vayne is just too bs

LadyRenlyDec 6, 20154 votes

just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

If you have 0 stacks, you're going to get bursted

Almost all adcs build IE or SS, you don't see that being nerfed because "everyone is building it"

Sinister AnubisDec 6, 20151 votes

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just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

If you have 0 stacks, you're going to get bursted

Almost all adcs build IE or SS, you don't see that being nerfed because "everyone is building it"

Um you miss the point entirerly. Adcs buy IE and SS because they can use those stats and those stats are intented for adcs. When a item becomes too wildly used on every champion in and outside of their roles that the item was designed for it becomes cancer. You dont see every mage build Triforce.

It Hertz When IPDec 7, 20152 votes

Because Triforce provides stats in seven (7) areas. Not many champions benefit from enough of those simultaneously to merit purchasing it.

Rageblade, on the other hand, provide three (3) stats. Just three: AS, AD, AP. Yeah, there's a stacking passive and shit, but all it does is provide more AS, AD, and AP. I can think of a LOT of champions that could get at least some benefit out of it, and many that benefit greatly. Most marksmen have AP ratios, most bruisers and juggernauts, every jungler I can think of....

Sinister AnubisDec 7, 20151 votes

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Because Triforce provides stats in seven (7) areas. Not many champions benefit from enough of those simultaneously to merit purchasing it.

Rageblade, on the other hand, provide three (3) stats. Just three: AS, AD, AP. Yeah, there's a stacking passive and shit, but all it does is provide more AS, AD, and AP. I can think of a LOT of champions that could get at least some benefit out of it, and many that benefit greatly. Most marksmen have AP ratios, most bruisers and juggernauts, every jungler I can think of....

So tell me why champions like Iralia is building it when she has no ap ratios and champions like olaf. Its a stupid item when champions who can't use all of its stats are building it. I can link a video of scarra talking about the item its over tuned.

At 1:45 seconds he talks about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svBWjQvl9ok

It Hertz When IPDec 7, 20151 votes

[EDITED] I said "enough" of them. Trinity Force is an effective slot option for a lot of fighters even if not every stat works out. Yes, on those champions it's really strong (thinking specifically of Poppy on that) but for most other champions it's a waste of money.

Modified as I was unaware Irelia had AP ratios. My point still stands. Also, no one commented on my other screw-up forgetting Olaf wasn't resourceless. Shows how well known Olaf isn't, lol.

KrinuDec 7, 20152 votes

...Irelia has AP ratios: Her E and her R both scale with AP at 50%.

It Hertz When IPDec 7, 20151 votes

My bad, I've never actually played her and I assumed the guy I was arguing with didn't have his head entirely up his ass.

EndlessSorcererDec 7, 20151 votes

Irelia has AP ratios.

E is 0.5

R is 0.5 per blade (for a potential 2.0 ratio if all 4 blades hit).

Sinister AnubisDec 7, 20151 votes

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Irelia has AP ratios.

E is 0.5

R is 0.5 per blade (for a potential 2.0 ratio if all 4 blades hit).

She still doesn't value the stat tell me do you build ap iralia?

EndlessSorcererDec 7, 20151 votes

You don't want to focus exclusively on building AP on Irelia, but it is by no means a wasted stat on her.

AP benefits Irelia, but that doesn't mean that she wants to build for it. It just means that she gains a bit of damage if an item she wants to build happens to have AP.

RebonackDec 7, 20151 votes

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She still doesn't value the stat tell me do you build ap iralia?

A 2.5 total AP ratio is very high. AP isn't a primary stat on her by any means, but it isn't wasted either. An extra 200ish burst damage on her rotation isn't unwelcome when the item also grants tons of IAS, AD, and a strong OnHit effect.

EndlessSorcererDec 7, 20151 votes

So tell me why champions like Iralia is building it when she has no ap ratios

Irelia has AP ratios on her E (0.5) and ultimate (0.5 per blade). That's pretty much a 2.5 AP ratio on a single target.

Irelia pretty much buys the item for the massive amount of attack speed and for waveclear.

It's definitely overtuned though.

Meep ManDec 8, 20151 votes

Because Irelia can benefit a decent bit from on-hit items.

DayvigilanteDec 8, 20151 votes

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So tell me why champions like Iralia is building it when she has no ap ratios and champions like olaf. Its a stupid item when champions who can't use all of its stats are building it. I can link a video of scarra talking about the item its over tuned.

At 1:45 seconds he talks about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svBWjQvl9ok

Irelia has an ap ratio on her e and her ult

Sinister AnubisDec 8, 20151 votes

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Irelia has an ap ratio on her e and her ult

She still doesn't value the stat at all. There is no reason it even should be there.

TanzLeonaDec 8, 20151 votes

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just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

If you have 0 stacks, you're going to get bursted

Almost all adcs build IE or SS, you don't see that being nerfed because "everyone is building it"

Not every adc builds item 3031 anymore. item 3508 + item 3094 are more common now.

The new ad items really varied the adc itemization. The nerf to the damage of item 3031 is balanced with the masteries.

LithiumWednesdayDec 6, 20153 votes

It's a good item that doesn't cater exclusively to ADCs.

Granted, one that's probably overtuned for what it is.

Rufus CrabmiserDec 7, 20152 votes

nearly every ap item caters exclusively to mages

LithiumWednesdayDec 7, 20151 votes

Fair enough, though it should be noted that mages as a role are more diverse compared to a class of almost entirely high damage ranged autoattackers.

Rufus CrabmiserDec 7, 20151 votes

not even. You have different types of AD just as you have different types of mages IE quinn lacking an offensive ult makes laning harder yet lets her have crazy roam, ezreal lacks all in potential early but has strong poke, mf is super strong in fights, etc.

LithiumWednesdayDec 8, 20151 votes

That's the same kind of diversity Talon, Zed, Rengar and Kha'Zix have. They're obviously different champions, but they fill the same role and are largely interchangeable.

Rufus CrabmiserDec 8, 20151 votes

And mages do the same role as well then? End all be all is do magic damage,

Meep ManDec 8, 20152 votes

Or crowd control if you are a Control Mage

CasterGilgameshDec 6, 20152 votes

the best thing i did when i was braum was build item 3075 against jax and he basically killed himself with the amount of attack speed he had lolz

YumaS2AstralDec 6, 20153 votes

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the best thing i did when i was braum was build against jax and he basically killed himself with the amount of attack speed he had lolz

I wonder how, since Jax does a lot of magic damage which can completely bypass Thornmail.

CasterGilgameshDec 6, 20152 votes

i stacked a lot of armor and health so it took awhile

BotifierDec 7, 20151 votes

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the best thing i did when i was braum was build against jax and he basically killed himself with the amount of attack speed he had lolz

should've gotten a gunblade, heal back the damage

CasterGilgameshDec 7, 20151 votes

ikr i was wondering why he didn't

TanzLeonaDec 8, 20151 votes

which champion were you playing?

God of AnimeDec 6, 20152 votes

its kinda fun actually, something fresh compared to the boring meta

5050BSDec 7, 20152 votes

It is a great item on Xin Zhao too. The item is for hybrids as Hydra is for ad.

TanzLeonaDec 8, 20151 votes

can confirm

Meep ManDec 8, 20151 votes

I get both for SUPER AOE!

MAGA MAN X 2020Dec 7, 20152 votes

I think a big part of the problem is that trifoce lost ap. for a lot of champs, guinsoo fills that desire of the hybrid item that trifoce used to have.

NoPaxtDec 6, 20151 votes

It's hybrid damage, wouldn't these work? item 3026 item 3512

SithesisLordDec 6, 20151 votes

Against everyone? Probably. Against Kayle? Might, but not as effective, since she works around resistance reduction.

WookieJesuzDec 6, 20153 votes

dont nerf kayle pls shes my baby

PrimaquariusDec 6, 20153 votes

Dont worry, ARAM Kayle is the lowest point of any champion's stats

SithesisLordDec 7, 20153 votes

Mine too, but Kayle is slowly making her way into Riot's 'Champs that counter our LC$B1GPL4Y3R$' list.

They´re most likely gonna nerf her. And she's not even that good with Guinsoo due to the whole '1 stack per AA on ranged' thing.

YatsufusåDec 7, 20151 votes

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dont nerf kayle pls shes my baby

item 3930 item 3153 item 3124 item 3091 item 1300 item 3115 ? or is that a bad build. I never play Kayle

KrinuDec 7, 20151 votes

Pretty typical glass cannon jungle build. Works okay if the match goes long enough to build it and she has a tanky top lane.

WookieJesuzDec 7, 20151 votes

item 3931 item 3115 item 3124 item 1300 then 1 defense item 3116 item 3001 item 3157 and then 1 offense item 3146 item 3089 item 3135

TanzLeonaDec 8, 20151 votes

Kayle is long forgotten from the balance list i think. To be fair, she's less as threatening as Tryndamere or MasterYi since she doesn't have a gap closer and her own speed boost is not as strong as .

warpenguin555Dec 8, 20151 votes

I went against a rageblade kat last night. It was bad. My teams Quinn and nidalee camped me hard because of how stupid they thought it was. I was eve mid.

TanzLeonaDec 8, 20151 votes

Katarina is more of a skill shot based champion. item 3124 doesn't fit her well.

Meep ManDec 8, 20151 votes

I would say increase the cost again to something like 3050 since it currently has some of the highest gold efficiency in the game at max stacks, being somewhere around 195% I think.

Then it should be decently balanced. The thing about a lot of people picking it up isnt a bad thing in my opinion. Its a very, very general item that anyone that deals damage based on fast basic attacks can use. Hybrid champions also can an extra bit from it.

TanzLeonaDec 8, 20151 votes

True. It has the attack speed of about two item 3087 at full stacks.