Proposal for Janna changes (nerf coin)

Hungri Hippo·8/11/2017, 6:44:09 PM·3 votes·461 views

Hey all,

I'll admit, as an enchanter main and diamond support player, Janna is overtuned right now and needs a nerf. A 56% win rate is too much. But the only thing that changed was the buff to Coin, which took it from garbage to a must have on every support (even nami, sona, etc.). Prior to this patch, Janna was playable but still below sona, thresh, and blitz in win rate. And prior to that she was below the poke mages.

A change to coin or a small nerf is in order, but the proposal to her play style change needs some work. Janna doesn't trade assertively because it works out poorly, you can't play her like Soraka and Sona. So if you want interactive lanes, then you have to buff the damage (and maybe range) of Janna's W, not nerf it lol. Go in and trade! But you already lose the trades and now you'll lose them harder.

By increasing her mana costs, nerfing cooldowns, nerfing W damage, and nerfing Ardent Censer, that's just setting the champion up for failure. The extra one second cooldown (13 - 2 from using W= 11) on shield is a lot, bot lane trades are very sensitive to cooldowns.

There should be a variety of play styles available to choose from, don't remove this play style just because it's over-tuned. Healers that chill in the back can and should be strong, they're in every moba (malfurion, dazzle, etc.) and every fantasy game in general, like MMOs.

Prior to her slight over-tuning, the pro of janna is that you are a team fight monster and the con is that you can't snowball your lane and you have to act through your adc (if he's bad and doesn't know how to trade with shield, you'll lose lane and be behind in CS). That's an even balance. A lot of teams give up before team fights, someone refuses to group, or don't have a tank to properly engage, as janna comp's need. It was also easy for poke supports to shove janna under tower and roam.

tldr: revert coin changes and maybe add a small tweak nerf to janna.

2 Comments

Painted Celt8/11/2017, 6:50:35 PM1 votes

Coin could be nerfed a bit. Janna Thresh SorakaLulu are all pretty strong. But mightn't it hurt other supports who are just barely viable or can currently situationally choose between coin and spell-thief? Maybe just those four, especially Janna and Thresh, could be nerfed along with a very minor coin nerf?

BlinkCastBoom8/11/2017, 7:01:46 PM1 votes

I think this change to Janna' s kit along with those nerfs are just asking to shove this champion into non-existance. Janna is not a poke/aggressive champ. Forcing her to use her W will not be of benefit to her, she will lose trade and get caught out. I'm not a support main but even I know this. Like OP said, she has her pros and she has her cons. These changes are just adding on more cons. Lately riot seems to be implementing nerds and buffs hard with little logic to them. Taliyah mana cost nerf hit her hard. Fizz buff was not necessary. Forcing a tank and assassin meta is disgusting.