can this be league again?

macromite·Jan 29, 2017·48 votes·3,352 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdN67NuhMW4

Notice the game length.

60 Comments

idontgiveabotherJan 29, 201720 votes

I noticed some things: -Caitlyn doesn't completely dumpster your hp bar into the next dimension -Wait... whats this im seeing... structures take... oh dare I say it... TIME TO DIE -No one is getting blown to smithereens either -And holy shit there is an actual variety of champions played

I can't believe my eyes

Papa SlothyJan 30, 20172 votes

there are different champs because there was a different meta

idontgiveabotherJan 30, 20172 votes

It still looks like more variety to me. I know I've only been playing for a year so who knows maybe my opinion is invalid but it still looks like it was much more interesting. The meta right now is the same picks and bans maybe in slightly different configurations and on different sides. Thats what I've noticed at least.

Papa SlothyJan 30, 20172 votes

that was essentially what it was like back then, definitely more meta picks but there was still a small champ pool

Wet DrymanJan 30, 20171 votes

Generally Season 3 started the meta hugging thing. LCS champion pool was small but was larger than it is today (both number of champions and % of whole champion pool) though people in rankeds and normals still played everything there was and in number of ways (on-hit Nautilus in the jungle, AP Jax, Jayce in the jungle, AP GP OP, full AD Evelynn). Today the only thing I see even in normal games are FOTM champions or most popular OTP champions, sigh.

Spaceman5pffJan 30, 20171 votes

Yeah the variety point is kinda invalid since there were just DIFFERENT champs being played, not really a whole lot more.

StillnameJan 30, 20171 votes

Where are you getting the time to die part from? SK literally just walked up and fought a turret with 0 minions and 100-0'ed it in a few seconds.

Edit. I am not saying turrets aren't squishier now I am saying that this clip is a terrible example of everything you just said. A clip of the early-mid game would be much better

idontgiveabotherJan 30, 20171 votes

Well thats kind of my point, the fact you CAN do that mid game. Not sure how effective you will be without mountain dragons but I'm fairly certain with 1 or 2 of them you can.

Another thing is if you end up with a mountain or 2 before 20 minutes because oh boy RNG in a strategy game, you can melt right through baron. Just a side note but another thing to mention with mountain dragons.

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 29, 201713 votes

Counterpoint: Pro games are anywhere between 30-45 minutes now. So the average game length is still pretty long.

macromiteJan 29, 201721 votes

counterbreak: pro games tend to be 5-10 minute longer than normal games, due to emphasis on safety.

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 29, 20178 votes

Combobreaker: Pro games are vastly varied due to the quality of teams that greatly varies region-by-region.

KingnewgameplusJan 29, 20178 votes

Counterina: Play somebody with hard cc and shut her down when she goes in.

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 29, 20179 votes

Count Vlad: Mordekaiser was picked as a counter to Katarina in the EU LCS.

Photos of GhostsJan 29, 20176 votes

Count to 4: Jhin is still pretty popular in pro play.

Hellen KellerJan 29, 20174 votes

Counterstrike: Riot catering to pro play instead of its playerbase is like a farmer feeding one 10 year old cow with leukemia instead of 10 young calves, because the single cow has tastier milk.

dragon1xxJan 30, 20171 votes

Global Offensive: RUSH B

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20172 votes

Counterplay: Wait Jayce and Camille lack that.

Troll for TrumpJan 30, 20172 votes

Count Chocula:

https://thesmatter.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/chocula.jpg

The new vlad skin

The WhamboozlerJan 29, 20173 votes

Pro games rarely have an over-aggressive player feeding three kills to their lane opponent pre-10 minutes. We probably shouldn't gauge around what pro play is like. We're not pros. We're normal freaking players that have to deal with some rando Yasuo top that spends all game dying after claiming to be a "diamond smurf" in champ select.

The pros are a small, small, small portion of the community... and they're a part of it that will stick around no matter the game's turns because it's their job. Riot should really be improving the game for the normal players. They're the backbone of the game and the reason it's successful, after all.

That said man, full respect. I loved your comics way back when.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

RouwhorstJan 29, 20178 votes

Notice how some people are still not at full build at 50 minutes. Gold gain has gone up and item costs have gone down.

MLDzXnRRRJan 29, 20176 votes

Cait and Zyra with item 3083 !!!

Wet DrymanJan 29, 20178 votes

Building Warmog on squishies was meta in season 3 as it was harder for assassins/mages to kill you on single combo because of 1k bonus HP. Good times.

invisiblecat1Jan 29, 20175 votes

Notice no Yasuo, Vayne, or Lee Sin

RainbowIceeJan 29, 201710 votes

but kassadin was worse than all of those combined during that season.

LasslowJan 29, 20172 votes

Yeah but everyone knew that he should've been banned.

Support BοtJan 29, 20174 votes

Good old season 3. It was the most balanced time in league history for me. Just after hecarim release. Not the piece of smelly, steamy block.

Cosmic WarperJan 30, 20171 votes

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Good old season 3. It was the most balanced time in league history for me. Just after hecarim release. Not the piece of smelly, steamy block.

??? S5 was more balanced right after cinderhulk nerfs. You must not remember zed, kass perma ban, kha elise lee jarvan jungle meta. the game snowballed super hard off of dragon control

Support BοtJan 30, 20172 votes

6 bans, and everyone know who to ban and maybe 8-10 champs considered as unbalanced. Now the situation is... 6 bans and maybe 20-30 champions considered as unbalanced :)

Cosmic WarperJan 31, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nidalee Tank,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bu8IvMsk,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T23:18:43.012+0000)

6 bans, and everyone know who to ban and maybe 8-10 champs considered as unbalanced. Now the situation is... 6 bans and maybe 20-30 champions considered as unbalanced :)

20-30...nice joke. It's rengar, le blanc, camille, ryze, kha zix, zac, zyra, jayce, maokai, malz, hecarim, and possibly vi. That's it. Any other champion that you think is overpowered isn't and you're just bad

Support BοtJan 31, 20172 votes

Lol srsly?... So lets start this Carousel. Camillie - everyone knows... Darius - dont tell me bullsht that he is not... it is just not true Ekko - too safe, and too overloaded kit. Good player makes this champion just unbalanced Fiora - you know... Fizz - you know... Hecarim - as u said Irelia - how to make 1v2 with one item Jayce - as u said Katarina - if you think she is not op in this patch, you probably meet only vegetables Khazix - tutorial how to make oneshots : get early kill, snowball, press Q LB - as u said Malza - as u said Maokai - as u said Poppy - walking rock, hard like a rock, hit hard like a rock Rengar - as u said Ryze - a magical rock, hit hard like a a rock with magic, and hard like a a rock Syndra - i just wonder why you did not mention her. Yasuo - i just wonder why you did not mention him. Yorick - http://imgshare.free.fr/uploads/6e19096775.jpg Zac - as u said Vi - as u said Zyra - as u said Zed - ADC in 2k17...

Aaaand few words about supporting (my main role this patch) Yes supports can be also OP, if you dont even mention them, "you are just bad".

Janna - still OP AF. 2x hard CC one strong slow big shield with small cd and huge boost to AD heal on ulti her passive - Taxi Janna her movement speed

Taric - in present meta where teamfights last 3-5 seconds his ulti is just making a game. R to win E is a HUGE RANGE AOE STUN.

There are also a champions, that are OP only when playing support role like: Brand - yes, on a bottom lane there is just no mercy with brand, you burn & flame.

What makes champions OP? 1 - overloaded kit - all champions have few characteristics like: sustain, survi, dmg, CC, mobility, utility. If champion have all of those points, or most of them - he is just OP. 2 - impossible or barely possible counterplay like invisible Khazix that oneshot you (well lets say it. It is not possible to stay in group through whole game time, in early snowball ver quickly, in late makes a game. 3 - just too big numbers

For me it is 26 champions. I believe many people in league even in higher ranks can count more than 26 champions.

About a season 5 - I rly didnt like season 5 meta. It was a time, when Top was a safe place to farm, and plenty unusual picks went top buildint tanky eg. fizz. When lucian and graves were pick to win As I remember in this moment in history of league, someone invented, that Annie support is good idea. Now thanks to him supporting supports are less desirable than damaging supports.

PaladinNOJan 30, 20173 votes

RIP old SR, back when this game was good.

Handy Sandy Jan 29, 20172 votes

Hopefully :(

DunkinNoobsJan 29, 20172 votes

What is this love affair with long games?

PaladinNOJan 30, 20172 votes

It's because back in the day, you could make a monumental screw-up at any point in the game and it was still recoverable. If your carry makes a mistake at around the 20-minute mark (guessed number - I don't really play on SR anymore) these days, the game is lost.

macromiteJan 30, 20172 votes

If your carry makes a mistake at around the 2-minute mark (guessed number - I don't really play on SR anymore) these days, the game is lost.

ftfy

seriously its pretty much that bad.

PaladinNOJan 30, 20171 votes

I ain't contradicting that, as I haven't looked at the timers when the game appears to be lost to draw an accurate average. Just made up a number that the majory likely wouldn't find offensively early.

SwiftKitten88Jan 30, 20172 votes

i just realized summoner 12 didn't have a indicator? i always wondered how he got into the base...

MyrmironJan 29, 20171 votes

Yeah, let's make every league game a 30 minutes farm fest again, with people only having control over losing the game rather than winning it.

macromiteJan 29, 20178 votes

better than it is today. can't even get to the meat with the game effectively ending so early.

LauchmelderJan 29, 20172 votes

It's even annoying to be on the winning side right now. Look at this shyte:

http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3037403061/209979663?tab=overview

That Kat lost the lane at minute 3 by giving me first blood. It shouldn't even be possible for me to get so far ahead to dominate her without even needing to fear a gank. One kill was all it took and I could take them on 1v2. Wtf is this bullshit Riot?

MyrmironJan 30, 20171 votes

So you'd rather hope no one of your dumb ass teammates gets caught than have the potential to carry games with the lead you have accumulated? What kind of defeatist attitude is that?

macromiteJan 30, 20171 votes

but I want to be able to single handedly catch someone's dumb ass teammate after my team has been practically inting the whole game in an effort to turn the tables.

KudrovJan 30, 20171 votes

anddddd thats why i wanna see a new game mode named legacy queue where you can play the old good league of legend and not the bullshit new game they pushing onto us vets.

p.s. thoses extermely delicious salty tears from ocelote, they made my day, back then when i was following esports.

QuephaJan 30, 20171 votes

Oh god no, nothing is worse than games that go on for this long.

macromiteJan 30, 20171 votes

would you rather play a game for an hour

or watch a game fall apart for 20 minutes.

Personally I prefer the former.

QuephaJan 30, 20172 votes

{quoted}

would you rather play a game for an hour

or watch a game fall apart for 20 minutes.

Personally I prefer the former.

The latter is better. If our team did badly and we lose then I can accept that and move on to the next game. A 60 minute slugfest just becomes miserable whether we win or lose.

Snowman ArcJan 31, 20171 votes

No. League can't be like this anymore, because players are becoming smarter about the game, and therefore, things that worked back then won't work now.

macromiteJan 31, 20171 votes

smarter about the game?

Not really.

discovering/riot created more things to abuse?

That's more like it.

Snowman ArcJan 31, 20171 votes

Let's not always blame Riot. People DO get smarter about the game. From champion match-ups, to optimizing runes / masteries, minion wave control, champion efficiency, jungle pathing, warding, keeping track of cooldowns, itemization etc. So many things that require a lot of time, data and experience to master, which are being gathered over time.

macromiteJan 31, 20171 votes

there is a / there for a reason, the / in this case means either/or

also should mention that save rune setups, (which really hardly change, except in ways that they have been for a long while) most of your points get refreshed and changed too fundamentally too often for them to be conducive in your point of players getting wiser when dealing with certain things.