let me get this straight people are complaining about lee sin w ward hops ????

Hotaru is Waifu·Apr 27, 2017·2 votes·723 views

please tell me this is a meme the problems he had were nerfed hes fun now just play the game

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undesirable teamApr 27, 20176 votes

gives him too easy of an escape whenever he wants to. he can get completely caught out and can just run away with a ward hop completely stupid

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

thank you for giving a reason and not just down voting lots of champs have a very similar escapes what makes lee sins so annoying he needs wards or allies to jump while champs like fizz and riven can do it whenever as long as its off cooldown and fizz has mana

undesirable teamApr 27, 20172 votes

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thank you for giving a reason and not just down voting lots of champs have a very similar escapes what makes lee sins so annoying he needs wards or allies to jump while champs like fizz and riven can do it whenever as long as its off cooldown and fizz has mana

only jax has a ward hop lee sin's isn't conditional, he doesn't need a lot of energy and it has a low cd its a point and click mobility spell combined with his ult-q-q "combo" which is very toxic and has 0 counterplay w/o mobility or flash

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

the cooldown for his w is 14 at all ranks i dont think its a problem i really cant complain about him i still think fizz e is way better makes you untargetable so you can dodge things like syndra ult it does dmg and is on a short cd of 10 secs max ranked

JbelsApr 27, 20172 votes

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the cooldown for his w is 14 at all ranks i dont think its a problem i really cant complain about him i still think fizz e is way better makes you untargetable so you can dodge things like syndra ult it does dmg and is on a short cd of 10 secs max ranked

Oh, no I was talking about his ult. I don't have a direct problem with his ward hop as long as his ability to use it to turn his ult and Q into literal cheese gets nerfed

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

i think turning his ult is an important part of his kit late game a lee sin has to be able to kick the enemy carries into his team a little cc can stop him from doing anything i dont see a problem with it

JbelsApr 27, 20172 votes

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i think turning his ult is an important part of his kit late game a lee sin has to be able to kick the enemy carries into his team a little cc can stop him from doing anything i dont see a problem with it

That doesn't change the fact that it's become a toxic no counterplay combo that pretty much makes it impossible to avoid getting shit on by Lee. If Lee Sin is going even with you, he can easily kill you. If he's ahead by the time he gets to that point, he can kill you pretty much without effort. It's not a fair combo, and just because it is still serving it's intended purpose in the late game doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be brought back in line for the early game

undesirable teamApr 27, 20172 votes

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the cooldown for his w is 14 at all ranks i dont think its a problem i really cant complain about him i still think fizz e is way better makes you untargetable so you can dodge things like syndra ult it does dmg and is on a short cd of 10 secs max ranked

you obviously dont understand the concept of risk and reward fizz's e puts it on cd, a long cd that gives the opponent time to react lee sin's w lets him, even though he missed his q, w in and ult the opponent backward easily this gives almost 0 counterplay... you can dodge damage you can't dodge point and click

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

a fizz isnt supposed to use his e to start a fight he starts with q when i play fizz e for outplays and escapes lee sin has two point and click dmg his ult and his e i find no problem with him being mobile it is how his kit was designed i think his lvl 6 power spike is a bit much the q dmg can do more than his ult i find his dmg a problem his mobility is not the problem at all

CØulrophobiaApr 27, 20173 votes

One word:Katarina

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

can u explain?

CØulrophobiaApr 27, 20173 votes

You see no problem whatsoever?

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

what does kat have to do with lee sin?

CØulrophobiaApr 27, 20172 votes

Shield+unsignaled movbility spell+low cd+ energy champion+ally powerup+combo with RQ (on champion that can use R for escaping already and Q for initiating)+healthy jg clear

Overall its an overloaded abbility that makes sense for a champion with healthier kit. Only champion to be able to wardhop like this Katarina and Jax as of current. Now compare their jump's to Lee's. (prerework kat on which her wardhop was removed)

Small dmg-Lee has medium shield on top of a lifesteal spellvamp Long CD-Lee has shorter CD and on top of that he is energy based champ. Cohesivness with their kit-Core part of Jax kit, core part of Katarina's kit However Lee is still able to do his thing even without his wardhop and flash. These 2 are used to make his kit safer and easier to use. Power budget-Jax 1/3 powerbudget-Katarina 1/4th while Lee maybe 1/10 if even that.

It was to cancerous so it was removed from Kat why should Lee be different?

NielarkenApr 27, 20172 votes

Kat had her ward hop removed for the same reason people want lees ward hop removed. No one liked having kat ward hop into their face or over a wall whenever she pleased with no down side.

UnboundHadesApr 27, 20172 votes

nah its just morons that think hes op because they ran into a lee 1 shot

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

im so very confused in why they are complaining about him they could remove all of his mobility and they would still complain people on the boards dont like being told to git gud and stop complaining

JbelsApr 27, 20172 votes

My complaint is that Lee Sins are using it as a way to get right on you and ult, and then using that to turn their Q into a single target ability instead of a skill shot. Best way to remedy this? Give it a longer cooldown. It should be an ability that you have to think about using for the right situation, not a throwaway skill that you can just use because it's back in a minute

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

i think that could be a problem but its really not that short of an ability its 14 secs at all ranks he normally uses it once in a gank or fight and the fight is over most of the time

undesirable teamApr 27, 20172 votes

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i think that could be a problem but its really not that short of an ability its 14 secs at all ranks he normally uses it once in a gank or fight and the fight is over most of the time

don't forget its cooldown is halved if it shields an ally

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

most lee sins down w to their laner when they gank they will try to ward hop kick but i see where your coming from i would be ok with that being nerfed but the whole ability shouldnt be changed ward hop is one the things that make lee sin lee sin

Hotaru is WaifuApr 27, 20171 votes

funny how i just get down voted instead of people talking to me and explaining why they champ is op i would love to just talk about it see why people think out of all of his kit why his w is such a problem

BobbinsonApr 27, 20171 votes

its another reason for people to weep about

Sylas Dr3gb0urn3Apr 27, 20171 votes

I use ward hopping to get OUT of a fight, so that I almost never die with lee... I have yet to master the skill of using it to get in... However, even if I do master that skill... Lee should use it to get out and not get in... it makes for WAY better games... Watching the Replays on THOSE games Is AWESOME!!!