Zed + State of Game

Aldria·Dec 31, 2018·2 votes·1,498 views

I've never really posted here. Just felt like I had to get this out.

Zhonyas is disgusting. The build path for the item is so god damn friendly.

Several champions, such as Zed, are in the literal gutter because of one item. And Riot's solution? Damage increase/cooldown decrease on his ult? That's not what the champion needs.

How about you actually instate buffs that do something? W cooldown early levels? A new passive? Perhaps just a total rework?

It's just sad to see the game going down this way.

What is everyone's opinion on the state of the game? For me. It just seems like a lot of

29 Comments

Cats Are FoodDec 31, 20186 votes

So... the one counter play option for mages to survive assassins - a heavily nerfed version of it... is what's wrong here?

This is from a Zed main, too.

AldriaDec 31, 20181 votes

One counterplay option? Did I ever complain about the active of Zhonyas? If you're truly a Zed main. You'll understand the frustration of new runes. +10 armor runes + first back seekers? You're never killing them.

To your point. I was talking about the FRIENDLINESS of zhonyas and the build path.

AldriaDec 31, 20181 votes

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breakordoom444Dec 31, 20182 votes

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Do not Rank shame on boards. The actual game knowledge of a player has nothing to do with a rank.

also, Zed as an assassin, can shred anything and anyone late game, especially with the new runes.

AldriaDec 31, 20181 votes

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Cats Are FoodDec 31, 20181 votes

You seem to have all your own ideas, and self justifications. I'd swap accounts to prove a point, but you seem to be stuck on your own.

Have a nice evening.

AldriaDec 31, 20181 votes

Please do. I'll be waiting.

Take it easy, brother.

Achilles2332Dec 31, 20181 votes

So what rank are you?

AldriaDec 31, 20181 votes

As stated above. D3 currently

MrHaZeYoDec 31, 20184 votes

And yet your not posting on your actual account, can't really complain if others on another account if you're not willing to post on yours.

breakordoom444Dec 31, 20182 votes

Come back if you have anything useful to say

Gameplay & Rank Shaming No belittling or shaming a player for their champion pool, rank, playstyle, or match history.

I'm don't give a flying shit about my rank, or my actual skill. I play, and if I do well, I get a high rank.

I don't give a shit if you are a Diamond 1 Smurf, Faker and hell maybe Doublelift in disguise, if you rank shame, I'm calling you out.

Cats Are FoodDec 31, 20181 votes

Most rank shamers are between gold and plat, at best. They don't bother me.

Just let it lie.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

AldriaDec 31, 20181 votes

Feel free to add me if you'd like to find that out!

Like you said, just let it lie! And stop posting here!

Stray KatDec 31, 20183 votes

I mean, this goes both ways... Zed can grab Merc Treads or a Hexdrinker first B and I'm never going to stand a chance against him in lane either. The fact that his core build revolves around penetration items means that the little bit of defense we can reliably build against him doesn't go very far, either.

Then again, to be fair - Zed's intent is to get ahead BEFORE you go back for that first item. If you want a Seekers, Zed wants you to buy it while your screen is grey from the first time he took you out. If you manage to get through most of lane without him killing you, you basically won lane. Same with almost any other asssassin. The intent is to snowball, the counterplay is to play safe until you can build some defense so he CAN'T snowball.

AldriaDec 31, 20182 votes

Serrated Dirk-1100. Negates 7

Cloth Armor-300 15 armor.

Lol.

I see what you're saying. But with the current state of Zed. Basically, its not possible for him to do that. Theres a reason top tier Zed players are in diamond, lol.

The character is in just in a bad-state and in dire need of a buff-rework. Riot needs to realize its not his R. Its his W cd early game, etc

bluegolisanoDec 31, 20181 votes

Serrated Dirk also adds a fair bit of AD (iirc was 20 or so).

And there's the fact Lethality hyperscales and stacks FROM ALL THREE LETHALITY ITEMS to an absurd level where some tanks (RIP Malph) don't actually have enough armor to do much against it. I say RIP Malph because a Zed Q removes his passive, and there goes 2/3rds of your armor (W scaling is stronk late if you go hard HP and Armor though)

Stray KatDec 31, 20181 votes

I agree that Zed could use a rework(He's either extremely oppressive, or damn near useless).

And certainly wasn't saying that he gets to easily cut through the defense <3 It's just impractical for most midlaners to build more armor than Zhonyas or Guardian Angel, plus Tabi, without really hindering their build. His core build provides enough to negate a decent chunk of that armor(Not all by any means), leaving the average midlaner with no other "Viable" options for armor items to build. Doesn't apply to every champ by any means, but the average pick in mid needs to focus on damage items or they're more useless than the Zed that can't kill them is.

IMO the biggest Zed problem is that even when he's useless, he feels oppressive. His Trading pattern is extremely non-interactive in general - He stands as far away as he can, hits you with Q's from his shadow(And ideally his own Q/Shadow's E as well), and eventually procs the second part of his W to get into range when he can kill you. His "trading" pattern doesn't allow for much in the way of actually trading with him, unless he tries to all in you. If he's not miles behind and useless, he can just run at you and dump everything on you to kill you - Still allowing very little meaningful options to do much in return for many champions.

Making him have to actually put himself at risk(A little more often) in order to trade and chunk his opponents down would, In my opinion, allow for him to potentially be buffed significantly in other ways, without him feeling so oppressive for his opponents.

Personally I don't have much trouble with him usually - Like you said, grab a seekers and Tabis and he's done(As long as he isn't already fed), But he DOES feel extremely frustrating to lane against if I'm not playing a champion that can just ignore his poke, as there's not a whole lot of opportunity to respond to a decent Zed who doesn't come into range until he can R and kill you.

Just my opinion <3 In the end I hope he gets to a point where his mains are happy with him, and his opponents aren't oppressed by him.

AldriaDec 31, 20181 votes

I dont know. Maybe I'm just not good enough to see some of that stuff. Im sitting at d3 and just never really feel i "easily cut through the defense". With 10 armor runes. I basically get outtraded by every champion. The only chance you have of going even/coming out of top is landing w/ double q with electrocute proc. Keep in mind that is a 24 second cooldown at rank 1. Basically, you dont win trades.

MrHaZeYoDec 31, 20181 votes

And Zed's Duskblade doesn't have a friendly build path? I mean he at least gets to start LS+3, he could even go Maw and take away the ability of the Mage to burst him out (Or Merc Treads or even Null Orb from runes, oh and MR Runes). These things go both ways. Increasing his Ult Damage and Decreasing it's CD means he gets to use it before Zhonya's comes off CD.

King LegoDec 31, 20181 votes

Zhonya isn't even that wow of an item except for its effect and the only defense item a mage has, and you're all "toxic item making Zed troll pick" or some bs like that?

Zed can even use his ulti at least 1-2 times when Zhonya is on cooldown.

Counterplay. Toxic gameplay am I right? Should be reportable if somebody uses that toxic mechanic. Yuck. I think I'm gonna puke.

bluegolisanoDec 31, 20181 votes

Banshee's exists for AP burst as well, but in general Zhonya's is the more pain-inducing thing for AD assassins. Or assassins in general.

Henceforth why this season started with everyone going golden when startwatch as I like to call it (Perfect Timing) was buffed.

King LegoDec 31, 20181 votes

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Banshee's exists for AP burst as well, but in general Zhonya's is the more pain-inducing thing for AD assassins. Or assassins in general.

Henceforth why this season started with everyone going golden when startwatch as I like to call it (Perfect Timing) was buffed.

Stop watch is mostly used when you know that you'll need Zhonya and it mostly depends on matchup. It's not always needed when the threat is not that great but it's only usable when it hits like minute 9 or 10 in the match. Banshee's passive can be easily removed by even a simple damage spell that's not even a cc or slow. Last time I checked I removed an enemy's banshee with just a Vel'Koz W and it's just a damage spell nothing else.

bluegolisanoDec 31, 20181 votes

Yeah, Banshees is proc'd by ANY spell or spell effect. It gets proc'd by freaking Exhaust afaik - and deletes the effect.

Also, you say this but need to remember;

It didn't matter what your matchup was, when you could get startwatch that unlocked at 3:45 before anyone was even lvl 5, and make dives pointless.

Okay cool you dived me, took four tower shots after I ignited you, and you can't escape, I get to press an instant outplay button. GGWP I'm- oh you have the same outplay button. well this can't go on fore- LCS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAwGQrkTC5Y

Watch the intro. It will explain EXACTLY what I'm talking about instantly.

King LegoDec 31, 20181 votes

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Yeah, Banshees is proc'd by ANY spell or spell effect. It gets proc'd by freaking Exhaust afaik - and deletes the effect.

Also, you say this but need to remember;

It didn't matter what your matchup was, when you could get startwatch that unlocked at 3:45 before anyone was even lvl 5, and make dives pointless.

Okay cool you dived me, took four tower shots after I ignited you, and you can't escape, I get to press an instant outplay button. GGWP I'm- oh you have the same outplay button. well this can't go on fore- LCS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAwGQrkTC5Y

Watch the intro. It will explain EXACTLY what I'm talking about instantly.

I get the idea. But yeah stopwatch being on the ready before even hiring level 5 yeah that was unbalanced.

But I can't blame pro players for using that rune or even a proof that stopwatch is a toxic rune. The pros need to die as less as possible because 1 kill can be huge when it comes to worlds. Just because it's the press of a button doesn't mean it's auto-yay I'm still alive. You have to time that thing properly otherwise you're just postponing your doom.

0zzy 0sbourneDec 31, 20181 votes

What I hate the most about Zed is when he's on the enemy team, all he has to do is guarantee a 4v5 by pressing R on the carry, then they just win game ez. When I play Zed, and I make it a 4v5 by killing the carry, the enemy team still wins because I only killed 1 person and not 5. I don't understand why the enemy team only need kill 1 person to win, but I need the penta to win.

A i Bot 0Dec 31, 20181 votes

Sometimes it is frustrating when you see a build path that gives your opponent a huge advantage against your damage, such as say a Yasuo vs most match ups and they rush Tabi boots. Regretfully this is where you will have to adapt more to your playstyle like roaming, or farming minions, or something else. Being melee in a Range heavy lane is annoying. I'm sure this is how most Pro teams feel when people build counter items easily, which usually make people farm a lot.

Sometimes lane swapping helps if you can negotiate that. Maybe the Question or post you really wanted was what do you do when you see a competent opponent that is building to counter. and the answer is making it hard for them to farm so they waste mana or abilities farming instead of harassing you.

Seriously your next game you see someone do that, see how long till they go oom. Manaflowband is a thing though so don't get poked

GL!

Packun FlowerDec 31, 20181 votes

Troll thread. Lets move along here peeps. Nothing to Meme here.

FéliXXXDec 31, 20181 votes

i think zhonyas is ok maybe being able to buy stopwatch instead of making it a rune its... but i think overall the item its ok thte thing is if they rush seekers you do no dmg as zed but thats a problem of the champ imo if you are playing talon and the enemy builds seekers 1st you can still do ur job if the enemy missplays