urgot rework

Whatever the change is, I hope it's something that provides an alternative approach if you miss your E. Right now it's land an E and rock, or miss an E and your opponent has free reign over the lane.

In regards to the rework. Urgot's a fatass supported by four tiny legs. Supposedly he's also equipped with heavy weaponry that his new form allows him to carry.

Taking those two into account, why not make him something akin to a cannon-form , but without the mobility? Someone that finds a comfortable and safe spot to sieges his enemies with his heavy weaponry and artillery, but is forced to hold his ground and fight if the enemy engages him directly either through an ambush or if they run past his artillery fire.

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Long term we've got a full rework planned for Urgot. That's a long way off though, he's both a big project and not first in the queue. Shorter term (starting next week) we're going to explore some small, quick buffs for him. Hopefully find some stuff to help him out a bit in the meantime without reintroducing any of the problems that lead to him getting heavily nerfed in the first place.

But first we have to focus our attention on Ezreal, Gangplank and Garen. We need to nerf those guys then completely ruin another champions kit.

I'll admit I'm ignorant on what his original problems were, but any chance his Shield could scale with something other than AP? I know Riven has an AD scaling shield, but if offensive stats are out of the question you could potentially try making it scale off of mana.

Will he have a dark, secret past?

My honest opinion is all Urgot needs is the Ping system for his ult (Slightly like Reksai and Twisted Fates ult, except instead of where you are going, ping that the enemy will be there.) and possibly when casting his ult, the duration of E is increased by 1 second (The cast time of his ult) so one doesmt have to worry about not being able to throw out that needed third or fourth Q because you wanted to swap.

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Long term we've got a full rework planned for Urgot. That's a long way off though, he's both a big project and not first in the queue. Shorter term (starting next week) we're going to explore some small, quick buffs for him. Hopefully find some stuff to help him out a bit in the meantime without reintroducing any of the problems that lead to him getting heavily nerfed in the first place.

If you do give him small buffs, I'd prefer you to be careful, since I really like him in the top lane and don't want him to get popular, causing him to be nerfed over and over until he's trash tier .

Wait, you mean a Sion rework or a -esque rework?

Hey Meddler,

Have you considered toggling Urgot's Q into a Xerath's R-style skillshot once it is locked on?

It seems to me like the problem with just auto lock on is the lack of counter play due its range and lack of possible dodging. His Q could be a straight line skill shot, then once E is landed switch to an "artillery" style skillshot.

Inherent Problems : He could target behind minions even if they weren't the target of his E. Potential Fix : Can only fire said "artillery skillshot" in a radius around the target hit by E.

Keep up the great work!

Please consider increasing his Q, E and auto attack cast speed while also allowing Q and E to be used without interrupting movement. This would be a huge quality of life buff for Urgot and allow him to carry his role much more effectively.

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Shorter term, we're going to explore some small, quick buffs for him. Hopefully find some stuff to help him out a bit in the meantime without reintroducing any of the problems that lead to him getting heavily nerfed in the first place.

Hello, Mr. Meddler, sir (& team)! =D

I have some ideas regarding a short term fix/rebalancing + QoL for , that may put him in a better spot, in terms of more intuitive gameplay.

It's mainly a minor kit swap between his W-Terror Capacitor & E-Noxian Corrosive Charge. I was wondering if the Movement Slow from his W-Terror Capacitor could be switched with the Armor Reduction from his E-Noxian Corrosive Charge..?

So, the abilities would now be:

• [W] - Terror Capacitor: Urgot charges up his capacitor to gain a shield. While the shield is active, Urgot gains armor reducing attacks.

While the shield is active, Urgot's attacks & missiles reduce (possibly "steals", instead?) the target's armor by 12/14/16/18/20% (same as current/live values, unless you guys intend to change it?).

• [E] - Noxian Corrosive Charge: Urgot launches a corrosive charge that damages enemies in an area and slows targets.

Enemies afflicted by the charge have their Movement Speed reduced (possibly "stolen" as well?) by 20/25/30/35/40% (same as current/live values, unless you guys intend to change it?). Urgot's basic attacks & missiles also slow the target while they're afflicted.

My reasoning for this switch is basically the same reasoning as with Rework 's Movement Slow shift to his E-Fracture, and Rework ' Movement Slow shift to his Q-Barrel Roll (which I also posted about, a long time ago: Gragas - Switch Enemy Speed Debuffs .)

• Thematic cohesiveness/intuitive logic

• Using a spell that activates a shield (W-Terror Capacitor), just to be able to use its Movement Slow function, just isn't intuitive in terms of gameplay. And swapping these functions in his kit would certainly make his gameplay become more intuitive & improve his learning curve.

• Also, using a spell that looks very chromatically similar to 's W-Venom Cask (E-Noxian Corrosive Charge), but doesn't slow, is just plain confusing (especially for players who like to play both champions - - and are trained to think that the abilities are consistent with each other).

Additional Fixes:

• Allow Urgot to move while casting Q & E. (QoL Fix, for more intuitive gameplay; helps with learning curve/improving gameplay skills. I don't remember if he can, or can't, as I haven't yet..'retested' him this week & it's been forever since I've played him, but it doesn't look like he can from his videos.)

• [R] - Hyper-Kinetic Position Reverser: Both Urgot & the suppressed target are untargetable until the reversal channel is completed. Reasoning: This helps solidify the.."fantasy" (original intention/design/vision?)..of the ult, so that it doesn't simply turn into a glorified Root/Stun, allowing both teams to kill the champions being reversed, while the reversal is still in progress. Instead, it forces both teams to wait for the reversal's channel to end, & decide whether to engage a teamfight, peel for/protect their displaced teammate, somehow manage both, or disengage & leave their teammate to die. ("Counterplay"?)

(Trying to think of what else to say, to further flesh-out my ideas, but that's all I've got. I think I've said it all?)

Anyways, I hope you guys consider implementing these fixes for Urgot! =D He's a fun champ that I want to unlock & play more often (especially with his Battlecast skin! =D ), but the current state of his kit has kept me from playing him to the best of my abilities, and my proposed changes would certainly allow me (& possibly others) to play him better.

(I also have some ideas for his larger rework, but I'll save them for when the official thread for that appears.)

Thank you for your time & for reading this! =D

[Will be posting this here & in the other thread you've posted in, since I don't know which one is the official Urgot Rework discussion thread - the original thread was in the old forum & it's been archived.]

a nice change on his late game capability where he is a bit more learner friendly because starting off learning to play i wasn't the best and his kit was not the friendliest to get used to but as i learned his play style i feel he was as natural as breathing so it really is not just a champ where you go hey lets play no its a champ where you go i think ill commit a good amount of time to learning does and donts for him because getting caught out and having the right balance between survivability and damage. His early game though is pretty solid with him being an early game bully but if you can not land E's you are going to have a bad time.

Afternoon Medler. As a legit Urgot main. I caught wind of a possible rework. I am terrified what will happen to my champ of choice. Coincidentally, my two mains are Urgot (primarily top, but I play him mid and adc as well) and Galio, between the two I would say that Galio needs the most work because after QandE are used, he's pretty much run out of options. I have laned against 95% of champs and to be honest Urgot can go toe to toe with the majority of them, people just assume he is complete and utter garbage, but he pokes down the most feared champs, especially champs such as the vaunted Darius (fervor boot upgrade was absolutely devine). The three major faults with Urgot are his wave clear,he has absolutely no pushing power...even at full build, lack of sustain and no scaling MR. Urgot should be given an identity and I feel he thrives most as a top lane champ.

A suggestion I would make would be once noxian corrosive charge is landed maybe the acid hunter can actually live up to its name and spread to all affected targets. This would help with lane clear and potentially help in team fights. Maybe acid hunters dont have to stop at their first target either.

I never post on the blog, but to be honest I am afraid my champ of choice will be changed into something unrecognizable. If you change anything I could sacrifice the ult (not entirely), but his standard kit is golden if utilized correctly.

I appreciate your team considering upgrading Urgot but please be gentle :).

Thank you

Except Urgot was designed to be played in the bottom lane. He was played competitively in LCS as part of a bottom lane duo. Before his nerfs, he had a way longer range on his abilities than he does now, helping to keep him even against those pesky long-range ADCs. In combination with his utility and ability to lockdown a single-target from -700- range at rank 1 of his ultimate, he was very strong in the early-mid game. He was the definition of an anti-carry and was released at a time when hypercarries (a la Vayne) was the meta for a long time.

It was only after his heavy nerfs to his ultimate, E cooldown, and to the bonus AD scaling on his Q (switching it to a less scaling but scaling on total AD) that he does better as a solo lane bruiser. Yet the biggest nerf, IMO, was the nerf on the range of his locked-on Q (1500-1200). A 300 range decrease is definitely nothing to laugh at. Although because of the huge range anyway, you can see how he was such an overbearing lane bully.

I just hope they don't give him the full Sion treatment. Urgot players don't deserve to have their champion destroyed.

bro.. bro.. do you even Galio?

He already is designed that way...