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Lane calling a nightmare... Lag? Glitch? Intentional!?!?!?!? [First to arrive on scene :C]

MAqw7L0yBV··4 votes·2,759 views
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Ok guys I've been having a really REALLY hard time calling my lane lately, when it comes to racing for that lane in the blind pick item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

TL;DR [ I'm ending up with a mid champion in some really obscure positions, VEIGAR TOP, VEIGAR SUPPORT, and you would think that it doesn't mean much as with the right intentions, Veigar ** Veigar can be played in those roles.**

My problem, as you can see from my image there, is that I'm calling Mid before everyone else joins, then when they join they do not see my call. I try to tell them many times that I have called Mid and I copy and paste to show them, but nobody believes me. ]

I've been called so many things, Asian (i assume for quickly editing the copy paste?), a troll (for "stealing" lane) and a moron for choosing Veigar as a sup when he needs to stack his q on a solo lane.

Can anyone understand my problem? (you get I'm not lying right?) Does anyone sympathize? (had this happen before?) Am I doing something wrong? (calling too quickly!?!?!?)

My solution so far has been to simply take my champion to the available role and just play on, and even though I have the wrong runes and masteries, I am winning some games. The worst part is all the abuse I'm getting for "ruining games" and for stealing lane. People seem to think I'm lying, people are REPORTING ME and I've been having those 20 min bans for 5 games because of it.

You might say the following:

"Don't lock in, change your champion, and accept that you have called too quickly lel"

  • Many times I do this and just suffer on.
  • Other times they will not communicate until I arrive on lane and they are like "wtf im mid REPORTED TROLL"
  • I have the wrong masteries etc. because I actually assumed at that point i was going to be a mid laner.

"Keep your mid lane and if they try to deny you that after you have copy/paste to prove it then it's their fault"

  • TRUST ME I started to do that a LOT and it just doesn't work.
  • The entirety of my team did not see my call and assume I edited the paste (which would be very easy I'll admit)
  • I get multiple reports for all sorts of things, offensive language, harassment, intentionally feeding.
  • I don't want the team to lose, I mean duo mid doesn't work for many reasons, you can use your imagination.

Also I'm honourable and I want people to enjoy playing instead of thinking I'm there to ruin their game.

The above 2 things don't work. My games are suffering when I'm essentially out of position. I can't tell them they are wrong because I'm the only one who can see it. I can't just take my lane because I get reported. Banned. Watching 20 mins go by so many times. I'm out of ideas. I'm sure that I deserve the lane yes? I called it first? There is no way currently to decide who gets what lane as it is blind pick and we all choose at once, so I think everyone goes with this method.

I NEED HELP. One of the worse things you see when you start a game is: [All]Player: REPORT SINOXA When I believe, in my heart, that I have done nothing wrong.

inb4 "just normals" - hate those people. I don't play ranked.

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MY FAVE CHAMPIONS: summoner 12 --------- Nasus Teemo Vladimir

summoner 11 --------- Warwick Sejuani Malphite

summoner 14 --------- Azir Veigar Ahri

summoner 3 --------- Nautilus Thresh Soraka

summoner 7 --------- Ashe Varus Twitch

29 Comments

Prospector Pete6 votes

It's sad how you can classify roles through summoner spells.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

META baby YEAH! Yorick

1 800 MID LANE2 votes

Azir summoner 14

Not meta.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

You don't run Azir with ignite? DUDE you are missing out.

Nah I use tele because basically the others are useless as fuck. I would probably go clarity before ignite even. Bait them with the low mana. summoner 13

1 800 MID LANE2 votes

I don't, and neither does anyone else that wants to win. (I know you were sarcastic, but still.)

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/fJhKei2v-dear-salty-players-who-dont-like-me-feeding-learning-azir-in-their-norms?comment=0006

Because I don't want to type it all and this isn't something to post tips on. Either way, I agree. Almost any summoner > ignite on Azir. Almost...summoner 11 {{summoner:2}} (Even though sated dev. procs off his soldiers, it's too hard to stack it to be worth not taking something else.)

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

It's funny because I just realised the Azir who stole Mid from me in the picture I posted chose ignite like a fool ^_^ It's quite clear that you shouldn't ever be close enough with Azir to pop an ignite. I loved playing with sated devourer, just the one time though. Yeah I realised that it's far too detrimental to your playstyle to be off trying to secure camps instead of poking and shoving. I never EVER use clairvoyance. Never have never will. I'm using tele all the time because I find that with barrier, even though MOST people run it, it doesn't really stop the burst enough to be useful. I like how barrier isn't hindered by ignite like heal is, and I like how heal grants health to nearby allies. I LOVE tele for map presence, lane domination and backdoor shoving. And day-saving. And the sun disc thing mentioned in that thread you linked, albeit very situational.

Fave Azir matchups to poke the hell out of: Akali Diana EkkoKassadin Katarina Talon Yasuo Zed So the Melee Mids.

1 800 MID LANE2 votes

Zed and Talon are really rough lanes for Azir compared to the others. Hell, even Kassadin can be a pain. Reason being is that they can all-in you without you getting any chance to react ALL with having an escape from your own all-in. Especially with your ult down. Talon is more of a skill matchup, but his burst is so high and so quick that even a good Azir player has trouble with it. Katarina has the same potential, but she's really easy to shut down to the point where her ult does virtually nothing to you anyway. Especially with barrier or exhaust. Let alone if you save your ult for her's. Ult her out of her own, and she's suddenly useless. Yeah, she could shun-po it, but she doesn't have much to all-in you without her ult.

Ironically, Zed, Talon, and Yasuo are all champions that I have trouble with even if I play a counter of theirs. Yasuo, especially. For some reason, I can't dodge his damn tornado.item 3070

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

That's interesting, it must vary a lot among other players. With Yasuo I am really REALLY good at dodging his tornado, I'd say it's one of my skills. There are a lot of mind games to it, you have to get hit maybe once or twice to realise how they play their Yasuo, then be unpredictable. Run a different way every time (like that's even possible xD) Often you won't find a Yasuo who always throws his tornado straight down the line.

But there are ways around that which I'll get to, that is to say, we understand Azir's all-in is nothing, it's his poke that we play to. In the same way, the ones with the really high burst potential are using their presence to zone you out. The way I play Azir, I actually play to those champions in particular. I'm nurturing Azir's weaknesses, not feeding his strengths.

Particularly with Talon and Zed, I know their threat is so high that I'm never going to put myself in a situation where they can kill me, I'm going to sacrifice farm for my life. Never forget to save E (behind) W combo for escape in a pinch. Then if you still have Q available you can insec further back (you CAN insec, right?), and with all that in mind you truly do need to save half of your mana for an escape. And ideally, we would all be professional under-tower farmers.

I used to manage to keep away from Yasuo's tornado by running movement speed quints. Movement utility masteries? You can always buy boots earlier to keep your speed up, even upgrade them if it's gonna be worth the speed. Rush Luden's? MORE poke and more speed <3 But remember I use teleport so backing and buying is nothing. Now I run 15% flat CDR runes for so many reasons but without mana regen yellows it becomes almost a waste. So yeah, to deal with the high bursters I run flat mana regen yellows so I can just poke poke POKE my cs, like ALL of it. There is no point giving them hundreds of gold for the sake of just a little.

Then BUY mana regen. First. Always. For me it's forbidden idol. Teleport helps for this. Go the chalice route if you really have to. I just find that 10% more CDR for 600 early back and more mana regen is too good to pass up. Also later the grievous wounds negates the potions and any other heals (whatever they may have, Nidalee/Ahri/Vladimir/other sustain eg. lifesteal/spellvamp) so well. I used to buy 2 Doran's Rings before I realised rushing parts of Morello's was FAR more optimal. You're not a Nashor's Tooth Azir are you? It's a trap honestly.

In conclusion, rather than try to find a way to play against every enemy champions strengths, I have found a way to play to Azir's weaknesses. Sustained pokeage is OP. He needs to be able to move and regen mana. And you need to become pro at under-tower CSing. Lane freezing is one of my other highly developed skills. Look that one up and master it, seriously. It's worth taking a few minion hits to stop them reaching your tower and risking a lane reset, although most good players won't let you do that often, once they see you start.

summoner 12 Azir Backing is nothing, ganking is everything item 1076 item 2004 item 2004 Mana regen start, underrated item 3165 item 3285 40% CDR cap plus 100% mana regen PLUS 10% movespeed item 3157 For emergencies, helps let your cooldowns come back so you can MOVE again item 3089 item 3135 Obvious item 1311 FUCK HOMEGUARD. Stick with alacrity you need to MOVE ALWAYS

If you truly do need more mana, then you will have to sacrifice power: Choose Athene's over Luden's, -40AP, +20% CDR = 40% (take the 5% out of masteries in this case) Run the movespeed quints (to replace Luden's speed) So you can drop the CDR runes (recovered by Athene's)

However: I like 20% CDR level 1 Extra poke from Luden's passive And conservatively, late game your natural mana regen is enough to not need Athene's RUSH MORELLO'S NO MATTER WHAT

Teleport helps with ganking for your team, so try to encourage them to place deeper wards - you may have 2 teleports on your team. Remember that Azir is a control mage, not a burst mage. Based on his utility and zoning, he truly excels in skirmishes and teamfights, where your team can take advantage of his kit. He lacks CC, so his damage output shines when your team is helping to lock opponents down (in saying that, you could benefit from building Rylai's if you always find yourself chasing). His Q can get that damage to the backline as well, and without your team to help they will dive towards you every time, as anyone skilled in defeating Azir knows to strike him right AFTER his Q. Use the ultimate for its utility more than its damage, yes it freakin' hurts squishies, but blocking a narrow passageway is often going to be the kill secured for your team (or flash burnt for the enemy) - it is hard to manouvre around an immovable wall, but easy to resist/recover raw damage.

This all means you will more than likely give up half of your kills as assists. For those of us who truly love Azir, we sort of have to accept that we are less likely to be the carry due to his nature. That doesn't mean we aren't a dominant presence.

Sinoxa Azir

1 800 MID LANE2 votes

I'm not going to go into much depth here other than to say that kills =/= carry. Damage dealt to champions matters much more than KDA. Early KDA is fine for the gold, but all it really means is that you dealt killing blows. You don't have to do much damage to do that.

The reason I don't want to say much else is that I fully support people building things differently than I do. It's all about how you want to play him. Azir is relatively versatile in that sense. However, I think the way I build him would be best to start out with unless you're not all that good with mana management, but if you can't even do that well, you probably shouldn't start playing Azir yet.

MAqw7L0yBV3 votes

What about by items? :D

item 3077 item 1039 item 3089 item 3302 item 3085

ok so a bit biased but still funny ;)

by boots?

item 1318 item 1326 item 1314 item 3242 item 1300

by champ...

Nasus Skarner Viktor Soraka Jinx

ok so that was much harder, basically impossible to find champions that are only good in one place... no champion is locked to one role really but yea done with this. O_O"

EDIT: By starting items item 1054 item 1039 item 1056 item 3301 item 1055

UltraSceptile3 votes

If you want to play jungle, adc, or support go to teambuilder.

In blind pick just call it and instalock it, if they cry pull out the copy paste, if they still cry just say ok keep crying it's not like you cna report me and then mute them in game so you don't have to hear their whining.

I used to be nice in blind pick then I just met these people so I said fuck it and did the same thing they did.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

Dude I totally wish I had the heart to do this item 3110 ... it ends up destroying the game and then ALL THE REPORTS >_< Maybe it's different for me because I don't play ranked games yet. Reason being, I'm trying to increase my skill in all roles first.

EDIT: You can't report in normals? I've been getting notes saying I can. item 2139

UltraSceptile2 votes

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Dude I totally wish I had the heart to do this item 3110 ... it ends up destroying the game and then ALL THE REPORTS >_< Maybe it's different for me because I don't play ranked games yet. Reason being, I'm trying to increase my skill in all roles first.

EDIT: You can't report in normals? I've been getting notes saying I can. item 2139

You can't report for insta locking, that's why it's so common. I know i feel guilty when I do it too but it's better than people doing it to you.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

You can't? I just report them for negative attitude or failure to communicate with team, then in the comment section type exactly what happened. Normally something like

So I called Mid then he was all like "you know what, I'm going Mid anyways cheers" locks

MFW item 3151

I'm getting the message that maybe nothing will be done about it? Like the staff seem to think it's ok? Because there is no way of deciding who gets what role. Guess we just have to suffer through it then.

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UltraSceptile2 votes

{quoted}

You can't? I just report them for negative attitude or failure to communicate with team, then in the comment section type exactly what happened. Normally something like

So I called Mid then he was all like "you know what, I'm going Mid anyways cheers" locks

MFW item 3151

I'm getting the message that maybe nothing will be done about it? Like the staff seem to think it's ok? Because there is no way of deciding who gets what role. Guess we just have to suffer through it then.

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Riot has already said refusing to communicate with team reports are completely ignored.

Negative attitude is similar to verbal abuse, they have a bot go through those reports. If your guy didn't say anything too bad that catches the system's eye nothing happens.

It's why a lot of people hate blind pick.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

Source?

Wondering, maybe it's ok for people to not communicate with their team... I mean it doesn't exactly help, but if you HAD to communicate with teammates, it's a rule that can't really be enforced properly you know? And also, what about people who have trouble talking to others anyways? Online or IRL, if you have problems socialising it would suck even more for you not to be able to play your favourite game because of it.

Interesting about the bot, so you could theoretically hide what you say in gibberish? Like:

You suck > u suk = quite easy to detect

Yew sark = not so easy?

Cause of someone was spamming me with YEW SARK G U FEKUN SARK!!! then I would definitely feel harassed.

Even though I'm a tough guy ;) item 3612

CRUSTY SEA MILF2 votes

It's the reason you'll only find me in Team Builder even if it is the breeding place of bad comps and shits and giggles. I played blind pick once and I called support (after 3 people called their roles) and the remaining person instalocks and I'm forced to jungle and die to red buff.

MAqw7L0yBV2 votes

Team builder. It's a really good idea actually. Solves the whole lane calling thing. SOOO many people have suggested they make Team Builder the main gaming lounge. Yeah, the long waits, but at this point I'm willing to try anything. Cheers man. summoner 4

DerZermetzelte2 votes

It's not a glitch. I had adapted to a bad connection, so when I got a new computer (and later moved and got a better connection), I easily became the first caller in almost every lobby. It's just how the chat works. Riot needs to implement a summary of the chat before someone joined that is shown when they enter. Or add a lane calling button. But this isn't likely for several reasons: The possibilty of strategy diversity and the existence of Teambuilder, to just name 2.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

I like the idea of the summary thing, there should be a way to show people what was said before they entered, although it calls for the cost of sending more information. I completely understand the strategy diversity thing, which is probably the reason Team Builder isn't well supported at the moment. If people couldn't be creative then it would be nowhere near as fun. Future of the game etc. From what I understand blind pick is actually the most sought after game type (I don't know how they decide this, poll?) and many people who ask for Team Builder to get attention get responses from staff saying blind pick is where it's at. LeeSin

yellowbricks2 votes

Yeah I hate how after 6 years riot still hasn't mastered the art of synchronous communication. A smart company would lock the chat and champ picks until everyone is in and then start the timer, and get rid of whatever wacky race condition makes it so 2 messages sent around the same time are displayed in a random order for each person. This would make champ select actually fair and call order can actually be a legitimate thing.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

They actually fixed that different order for different people thing, now everybody sees the same thing 5.13 -> SEE HERE under bugfixes

Many people missed this update:

"Rapid-fire chat messages now always appear in the same order for everyone in a lobby or chat room Decreased chat message latency. This isn't really a bug but it's related to our last point!"

summoner 13 This is really important because now you can catch someone (often duos actually) lying to try to get a lane for themselves or their friend. Many times (once, even against a group of 4) I have seen my call beat someone else's and been bullied out of the role. I tell them the bug was fixed in 5.13 and that they have been caught out lying. When it's not a group of 4 you get someone else who is like "yeah Sinoxa is right" and then they will either stick to the lie or they will dodge.

The next step is to display what has been said BEFORE you joined, AFTER you join, so that when I run into the situation in my OP they can clearly see that they have been beaten.

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item 1011 + item 1036 = item 3053 Sterak's Gage item 1011 + item 1036 + Graves = Sterak's Graves item 3053 Graves item 3053

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Garen Garen + Draven Draven = Graven Graves

The Queen Viper2 votes

There is no such thing as "calling lane".

Don't play "blind pick" ... there, problem solved.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snąke on bush,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BZLewGUM,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-09-20T15:40:35.096+0000)

There is no such thing as "calling lane".

Don't play "blind pick" ... there, problem solved.

"There is no such thing as calling lane."

item 3901 - Fire at Will

Probably a lot of threads out there debating this. My view is that this seems to be the only way to determine roles. Yes you can just break the meta but you probably won't stand a fair chance to win. So people tend to stick to the meta. Which requires roles. Which I believe requires a method to determine roles, not just chance that it will work out. Calling is all we have, and with a bit of maturity we could easily use that to work things out.

I read somewhere that some people retain a childish attitude towards this, ie: (not IE item 3031 ) they will just cry or lock in or dodge. And for those of us who have grown up and gotten over the fact that OFTEN YOU DO NOT GET EVERYTHING IN LIFE THAT YOU WANT we will accept that, ok, maybe this game I'm going to have to go support. Or a role I'm not familiar with like top. Or whatever.

As I said in OP I don't play ranked, however I gather that you are encouraging me to? I like team builder to avoid all of this but at the late hours I play it is unavailable and on top of that the search time is an hour anyways.

item 3157

A NEW IDEA which I am probably not the first to have is that you are put into the role when you join...

Positives: -- No arguing over roles/lanes -- You can get better at all roles, something I am doing (and I think everyone should do) before I start ranked play -- Fair distribution for those who are either slow at calling or have bad internet or whatever, who [for example] may not want to keep playing support as it is least favoured (BY SOME, OK).

Negatives: -- No chance to change the meta - unhealthy for the future and creativity side of this game -- Much more dodging - solution: don't allow it, like ban harder for it -- Some people having the same role many times over, even though they will eventually get a different role (law of large numbers) there will still be a group of people who have had the same role hundreds of times - I'm reminded of: Professor Pigskin, The Simpsons. This could be solved by forcing them a non-random lane which they haven't played "recently", but would therefore increase search times. In my opinion: worth.

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The Queen Viper2 votes

{quoted}

My view is that this seems to be the only way to determine roles.

No, it's not. RIOT specifically created normal Team Builder to avoid this "calling" and "instalocking" issue in the first place. Also there is normal Draft, if you really care so much about the role you are going to be playing.

{quoted}

As I said in OP I don't play ranked, however I gather that you are encouraging me to? I like team builder to avoid all of this but at the late hours I play it is unavailable and on top of that the search time is an hour anyways.

No, I do not encourage you to play ranked. However I do suggest that if these roles are so important to your gameplay, do NOT play blind pick then. Stick with the Team Builder and normal Draft.

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snąke on bush,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BZLewGUM,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-09-20T18:45:29.889+0000)

No, it's not. RIOT specifically created normal Team Builder to avoid this "calling" and "instalocking" issue in the first place. Also there is normal Draft, if you really care so much about the role you are going to be playing.

{quoted}

My view is that this seems to be the only way to determine roles.

Sorry man, I guess I should have been more clear. I meant to say:

My view is that this seems to be the only way to determine roles in blind pick. LeeSin

I then went on to talk about the meta. The point I'm trying to jab at here is our chances of winning are affected by not being able to see the calls made before we joined the room. So I'm going to assume that it is GENERALLY ACCEPTED that calling is the way of blind pick? I've played hundreds of games there, so I can actually see the effectiveness of the calling and I'm not ignorant to the fact that IT IS THE NORM AND IT IS HOW YOU GET YOUR ROLE THERE. Again, in blind pick is what I am talking about. Would I be right in assuming now that your chances of winning will be lower if your team is fighting among themselves? Or are sharing experience on one lane while completely leaving another open to enemy free farming? Duo mid is horrible. I'm not saying that all I care about is winning, but that is the goal of the game, to win.

You:

[{quoted}](name=Snąke on bush,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BZLewGUM,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-09-20T18:45:29.889+0000)

No, I do not encourage you to play ranked. However I do suggest that if these roles are so important to your gameplay, do NOT play blind pick then. Stick with the Team Builder and normal Draft.

Me:

{quoted}

-- You can get better at all roles, something I am doing (and I think everyone should do) before I start ranked play

Me:

{quoted}

As I said in OP I don't play ranked, however I gather that you are encouraging me to? I like team builder to avoid all of this but at the late hours I play it is unavailable and on top of that the search time is an hour anyways. item 3157

I'm nocturnal Nocturne

Me (OP):

{quoted}

I don't want the team to lose,

Also I'm honourable and I want people to enjoy playing instead of thinking I'm there to ruin their game.

I don't know what else to say. item 3035 Thanks for the advice though, I wish Team Builder went all night. I wish more people played Team Builder. I wish I could have some influence on the challenges in life instead of fighting against something only item 3152 Riot staff can change item 3060 I WISH I WISH I WISH! XD

My soul will always be anchored to Blind Pick item 3345 But it's becoming a thorn in my side item 3075 when I get the bad fortune MissFortune of getting swindelled out of "my" role item 3841 by these naughty tricksters Nautilus item 3829 and poachers item 3711 who gang up on me Gangplank and I get treated brutally in game item 3134 and I'm guaranteed to have a bad time Garen when I rumble with n00bz Rumble even though I'm the ninja who called first item 3047 It's like bad karma Karma Like a twisted punishment for sin TwistedFate LeeSin I'll be severely scarred for life Sivir Skarner even if I shake it off now Shaco It's been exhausting time and time again summoner 3 Ekko Zilean

Norr1N2 votes

Hmmm.... WAIT!!...............

{quoted} MY FAVE CHAMPIONS: summoner 12 --------- Nasus Teemo Vladimir

summoner 11 --------- Warwick Sejuani Malphite

summoner 14 --------- Azir Veigar Ahri

summoner 3 --------- Nautilus Thresh Soraka

summoner 7 --------- Ashe Varus Twitch

http://i.imgur.com/RJUVTl2.png

{quoted} MY FAVE CHAMPIONS: summoner 12 --------- Nasus Teemo Vladimir

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{quoted} MY FAVE CHAMPIONS: summoner 12 --------- Nasus',,................... Teemo ...................,,Vladimir'

http://i.imgur.com/29neIyF.png

Fear not, my friend. I have found the root cause to all of your troubles.

On a more serious note, why not try teambuilder?

MAqw7L0yBV1 votes

Team Builder does not run all night one my OCE server, and as I am nocturnal Nocturne I rarely get the chance.

The wait time for a Team builder match (again,on my server, with its tiny community) is about 45-60 mins item 3157

If I was to solely play Team Builder, I would get perhaps 3 games a day, and be exhausted just waiting time and time again summoner 3ZileanEkko

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