Can we standardize Cleanse effects?

LightsabreSMGN·Dec 4, 2014·6 votes·546 views

Hello all, I am a casual player trying to get better as a support main. Something obnoxious has been rearing its ugly head lately, however. I have faced Zed several times lately since my tier doesn't ban him that often, and it never takes him very long to get fed. Naturally, I want to protect my ADC, so I buy Michael's. I found out the hard way, however, that Michael's doesn't stop deathmark. I haven't tested it with Fizz ult since Fizz isn't too popular on my level, but I know that cleanse doesn't remove the ult while QSS does. Could we please get these three items/abilities to all do the same thing?

9 Comments

TsundayDec 4, 20143 votes

That's because Mikael's has a cleanse effect. there are not 3 different things just 2. You have cleanse/mikael's and then you have QSS. QSS removes everything, cleanse/mikaels is similar to tenacity. Tenacity will lower effects of most cc and the same affects tenacity lowers, cleanse/mikaels removes with the exception of polymorph I believe. Tenacity decreases poly and mikael's doesn't remove it.

There would be no reason to get a QSS item if Mikael's did the same thing

TalamareDec 4, 20142 votes

That's because Mikael's has a cleanse effect. there are not 3 different things just 2. You have cleanse/mikael's and then you have QSS. QSS removes everything, cleanse/mikaels is similar to tenacity. Tenacity will lower effects of most cc and the same affects tenacity lowers, cleanse/mikaels removes with the exception of polymorph I believe. Tenacity decreases poly and mikael's doesn't remove it.

Sound's pretty confusing, QSS removes everything - fine simple Mikael and Tenacity... Now you start throwing a bunch of exception and such, quite confusing

There would be no reason to get a QSS item if Mikael's did the same thing

I disagree, QSS has enough strengths to merit itself. Not to mention you are not reliant on another person with QSS Well, I suppose you could get Mikael for yourself, but I doubt any DPS would

Epilogue of LifeDec 4, 20141 votes

Or we can make it so that QSS doesn't stop Zed...

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

No, we can't. Cleanse removes all debuffs. QSS removes all debuffs. Mikael's removes CC effects. It's like that for a reason. If you want to stop a zed, try getting a support with instant point and click CC, take exhaust, or someone like Leona who can lock him down. Sometimes gameplay changes are needed instead of "hey riot I don't wanna change my build to counter zed can you just change the items"

JefftiffyDec 5, 20141 votes

Until you realize that cleanse is a summoner's spell and is worse than a 1250 gold item for a CD that is double the length.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

How in any shape or form is cleanse worse than QSS? Cleanse also grants 65% tenacity for three seconds, which makes is ridiculously hard to lock someone down. Please know what you're are talking about when you reply to me.

JefftiffyDec 5, 20141 votes

Tell me in what circumstance you will take cleanse over heal/ignite/tp/exhaust/barrier? None because they cover every circumstance you would need it. It doesn't even remove suppresses which was the first time I ever tried to use cleanse just to find out it didn't even break the CC let alone get rid of the damage over time.

And 65% tenacity when the majority of CC that is going to be thrown at you is a knock up or slow. It does so much to solve that. If was immunity maybe I would think about taking it in certain match ups.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

I'd take it when the enemy is extremely cc heavy and I am adc. A 400 health heal/shield won't save you when you are getting focused in a late game team fight, but the CC reduction. will. Also, a majority of cc isn't a knock up, and slows are reduced by cleanse. Only four champions have suppress, but in the situation where you are going against one, yes, take QSS over Cleanse.

LongFur FoxDec 5, 20141 votes

It is quite simple. QSS cleanses everything including debuffs whereas mikeals and cleanse stops all cc. There is no exception to this rule as any would be exception is read not as a debuff to the game (this includes things such as vi ult)