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Ahri's current state

KE777··8 votes·2,188 views

Despite being a mage, Ahri is not doing well. Not at all. There have been times when she was strong or weak, but right now she's just terrible. Before I get downoted to oblivion, hear me out: I don't think mages are fair to play against. As an Ahri main, I hate them too. They do everything too well for too little. Anyway, back to my main point.

When the tower plating mechanic was first introduced into to the game, Ahri was doing pretty well. She could shove the wave in and get a lot of gold from turrets. Pushing was always her strongest point. She has no real damage, only survivabilty which is, well.. only really useful in lower elos. As platings were nerfed more and more, Ahri gradually got worse as well. At first, plates gave a little less gold, which was, well, tolerable. But then they were made so strong that unless you are playing against an afk you won't ever get past the second or third plate.

In lane, she barely has a little kill pressure if any. She can't oneshot even with ult and ignite, not to mention that you have to pick Glacial Augment to actually feel the tiniest bit of usefullness(not that she can kill people with electrocute). Even if you get super far ahead, you can still just barely oneshot a few squishies. A 6/0 Ahri won't carry a game, while a 2/0 Yasuo pretty much kills everyone. Same for pretty much any mage.

Her ult's cd is absolutely ridiculous compared to, say, Diana: Ahri's lv.1 ult cd is 130 sec, while Diana's is 100 seconds. And I don't think I need to tell you which one is more useful.

Her winrate is pretty high, up until she gets into higher ranked games. She's absolute garbage as a champion and can't compete with ANY midlaner you can think of. You could imagine her playing against any midlaners, and she won't win. She can't.

It's not just me, either. You could ask any Ahri main in higher elos or any pro, and they will most definitely say that she's weak. She has been for a while now. Send help please.

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Paroe6 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri

51% win rate with a 7% popularity says otherwise. Ahri isnt weak by any stretch of the imagination. Anyway... ill tear down your post!

She has no real damage

80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+ 70% AP) is pretty significant. 64 / 104 / 144 / 184 / 224 (+ 48% AP) likewise, is not bad. 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+ 40% AP) on a 2 second stun? oh the humanity! 180 / 270 / 360 (+ 105% AP) three dashes on an 80s cooldown that deals high damage? Scandelous.

Ahri does a grant total of 1044+263%AP in single target burst. From safety. Late game thats a guranteed kill on a squishy - and you dont even have to risk ANYTHING for that kill because of your two second stun.

In lane, she barely has a little kill pressure if any.

I actually see this complaint a lot and it has nothing to do with the kit itself and everything to do with the playerbase. Most Ahri mains - because of her kit - rarely take risks because the way Ahri is played is "if im not guranteed a kill i will never go in on it". Her E is basically a "kill secure" and between her passive and her ultimate, she can engage AND ESCAPE from almost any situation. Almost. As if. She were. An Assassin.

She can't oneshot even with ult and ignite

Neither can most champions, who risk a lot more. Ill be honest here, this sounds incredible entitled and nearly delusional. Do you feel you have a right to oneshot anything outside of a curbstomp situation?

not to mention that you have to pick Glacial Augment to actually feel the tiniest bit of usefullness

I mentioned this earlier, but what youre saying here isnt true and its got to do with the mindset of Ahri mains in general where you feel you cannot take a risk and most of what you do must be guaranteed to even be attempted. Glacial augment is not required to be competent, it simply makes your Q much easier to land which translates into stronger poke and leads to more Es so you can go in on things safely.

Even if you get super far ahead, you can still just barely oneshot a few squishies. A 6/0 Ahri won't carry a game, while a 2/0 Yasuo pretty much kills everyone. Same for pretty much any mage.

You are not entitled to one shot, and if you arent forcing people out of lane with a item 3285 item 3020 and three or more level advantage youre the one with a problem. Ahri is comparable in damage to most mages. Most mages however do not have the mobility or safety that Ahri does. As for Yasuo... You cant really compare Yasuo to an assassin. Hes a hypercarry, youre not.

Her ult's cd is absolutely ridiculous compared to, say, Diana: Ahri's lv.1 ult cd is 130 sec, while Diana's is 100 seconds. And I don't think I need to tell you which one is more useful.

Dianas ult is an AoE displacement that deals damage scaling to the number of enemy champions inside it. Its conditional and requires her to risk herself in order to use it. Meanwhile Ahris ult scales to the same cooldown at level 16 and gives her three terrain ignoring dashes.

Her winrate is pretty high, up until she gets into higher ranked games.

While it is true that in master+ she has a 48% win rate, i think thats more to do with the fact that most of her players are in the diamond and lower bracket, which is why we use "all of high ELO" as the barometer and not just "masters+".

She's absolute garbage as a champion and can't compete with ANY midlaner you can think of.

Akali Yuumi Are absolute garbage champions because of riots constant nerfs and community whining. THOSE are champions who cant compete in solo queue, Ahri is a champion who may not be in the limelight but is never weak either. Quinn is another such champion who isnt really ever weak, but also isnt ever in the limelight.

TL:DR; Youre a TAM who, like the other TAMs on the boards; Your arguments arent real, your opinions are ignorant, and your desires are selfish. Dont get me wrong though, youre entitled to all those things. Just try to step back sometimes and see the bigger picture.

Small Boobs Ahri3 votes

Ahri has a real lack of damage, BUT, the problem doesn't come from her but from the other champions who have too much damage

Saezio3 votes

No ahri doesn't have a lack of damage. If you hit your entire kit you assassinate 2 squishies for the price of 1. she is also super safe and her roams are deadly, she also has amazing waveclear.

WTF do you want? to miss half Q, miss E use R stack defensively, have W hit minions and still kill tanks?

Small Boobs Ahri3 votes

coming from a person who only plays ARAM and who has less than 10 ranked games per season I don't know how to take it

Saezio1 votes

Ad hominem nice. ;)

You are a god of arguments.

BTW, have you even tried GA Ahri? I see you always play her with Electro.

(I am trying to make actual arguments and conversation so if you just want to insult and dismiss everything I say with no arguments just say so I can stop bothering too)

Small Boobs Ahri1 votes

It's an argument yes, the aram is very different from the SoloQ but I don't teach you anything, I know my champion and I play it very often and I really recent a delay by contribution to the other champion I have this impression of having to give 2x more effort than the other magicians, Syndra for example who is quite well in the META at the moment, when you are well in your game, a combo is enough on a similar person, With Ahri it happened several times not to have enough with a full combo with Kill + cs advantage

And yes I tried Glacial, but I don't like it, that's not the way to play an assassin (or me)

Saezio1 votes

Well, duh, if you compare her to like one of the top 2-3 mages like syndra of course she comes short.

Asking for buffs imo is only warranted if ahri was worse than HALF the other mages/assassins/whateverthehellsheis.

Anivia AurelionSol Azir Brand Lissandra Taliyah Velkoz Ziggs Xerath are all worse midlane mages than ahri in my opinion for soloq.

Small Boobs Ahri4 votes

Anivia Ziggs not meta

AurelionSol Azir Xerath : not a Assassin/burst champion (long-term damage)

Velkoz Brand Taliyah : no more mid champion now

I'm comparing Syndra and Ahri because they're both similar burst championwhen I see Siphtur a big Ahri Challenger NA player who has 0% winrate on her, Faker who plays her more than anyone else and Perkz a former player of the champion also who says she has literally 0 damage and calls it dogshit champ it makes me sad for her, Apparently she's considered a troll pick in China according to some rumor, but I'm not sure.

Saezio1 votes

well, if we are talking about masters+, sure ahri is weak.

But from my perspective she should be weak there. If we want ahri to be a masters+ solid strong pick, she should be weaker in lower skill levels of play. And that would mean she needs to be reworked/changed. I wouldn't be against that kind of changes on her. But straight up buffs would just make her overpowering in low skill play while only slightly benefiting her in masters+ play.

I think our entire conversation we have been talking about ahri from different POVs. You were talking about her being weak in high skill play, and I was talking about her being strong in every elo that isn't above diamond 3. And both these statements are true I believe.

Ahri Baka3 votes

The TL:DR; applies to you lmao , I'm not saying she needs a buff or something , no , she should not get buffed , but the fact her damage is low is real , and just bringing numbers like that is dumb lol , compare them to other mid laners and see , again , she should not get buffed , but if you going to counter argument him then say something convincing lol.

Paroe2 votes

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The TL:DR; applies to you lmao , I'm not saying she needs a buff or something , no , she should not get buffed , but the fact her damage is low is real , and just bringing numbers like that is dumb lol , compare them to other mid laners and see , again , she should not get buffed , but if you going to counter argument him then say something convincing lol.

Diana: 930+215% Leblanc: 895+240% Lux: 990+230% Xerath: 890+253% (this is only counting one tick of his ultimate) Lissandra: 960+275% AP Ahri: 1044+263% "Low damage" indeed. Ahri can only use two dashes and still be within ~100+20% of them.

Ahri Baka2 votes

Your numbers are wrong , the way you are comparing is just terrible , I bet you didn't count stuff like Lux passive or something

Paroe1 votes

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Your numbers are wrong , the way you are comparing is just terrible , I bet you didn't count stuff like Lux passive or something

My numbers are based on the things a champion can do with a gurantee, and youre right on lux; i didnt take her passive into account becase regardless, the champions are comparable to each other, refuting the soap box TAMs have that Ahri is weak in terms of damage.
If Ahri had something like 700 or 800 base damage with 200% AP you would definitely have a point, but she doesnt have low damage.

My numbers are mostly correct, the way im comparing things is literally what you people asked for, and now that ive delivered what you people asked for youre moving the goal post and trying to undermine the evidence so you can keep crying for Ahri buffs.

Ahri Baka1 votes

The last part is what makes me not take people like you seriously , that's it , augement is over.

Paroe1 votes

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The last part is what makes me not take people like you seriously , that's it , augement is over.

I gave you an itemized response, though? Without even acknowledging direct evidence - that was asked for, and delivered in the way it was asked for - you tried to dismiss it and undermine its credibility so you could continue to stand on your soap box and whine that Ahri is weak and needs buffs.

Ahri Baka1 votes

No , I didn't say that , that's what you assumed , and that has nothing to do with me , but oh well , as expected from the guy who known in boards who rages when it comes to Ahri anyway lmao.

Paroe1 votes

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No , I didn't say that , that's what you assumed , and that has nothing to do with me , but oh well , as expected from the guy who known in boards who rages when it comes to Ahri anyway lmao.

After being presented with numerical evidence contrary to your claim; "Your numbers are wrong , the way you are comparing is just terrible , I bet you didn't count stuff like Lux passive or something"

You did not attempt to acknowledge the evidence, you immediately attempted to undermine the evidence, and now youre attempting to undermine my credibility. While claiming youre not and trying to talk from a place of superiority.

Typical. Ahri. Main.

Delusional.

Ahri Baka1 votes

Okay , I'll just take you as a troll for now , it's not funny tho , I bet you think you are did something cool or like that rn. But fine , keep assuming as much as you want ,as if that would change anything

Paroe1 votes

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Okay , I'll just take you as a troll for now , it's not funny tho , I bet you think you are did something cool or like that rn. But fine , keep assuming as much as you want ,as if that would change anything

[sg-lux-2]

Saezio3 votes

52% winrate in Plat+ for a beginners champ 51,5% in D+... Yeah pls delete this post. If Garen or Yoric had these kind of numbers in plat+ and d+ there would be hell here.

Ahri has always had preferential treatment because of her popularity. She is really strong, requires nerfs not buffs.

Small Boobs Ahri5 votes

Another person based on a winrate, so for you you need buff Akali who has 45% winrate? Irelia? Mordekaiser ?

Saezio1 votes

Akali is pick/ban in pro, in the hands of 99,99% of the player base she is weak, but in the hands of Rookie/Theshy/Caps etc she is a MONSTER, she is also too safe in lane for her scaling, all in all riot have created a champion that cannot be balanced even remotely to be viable in soloque without being a terror in Pro, it's just the same as kalista/azir/tahm. What does that have to do with Ahri? Do you feel like they have something in common? Or you just wanted to divert the argument?

Morde has 49,5% winrate in plat+ BUT for his 11% pickrate and how easy he is to play, that number is totally acceptable and doesn't mean he is weak. Ahri should be around the same winrate if her pickrate was also ~10%. Maybe 50,5% max since she is 7% and not 10%.

Irelia is a tricky one, imo she does need SOME love because atm she isn't strong anywhere, not in pro or soloque, the issue with irelia is that in the hands of mains she is A BEAST and she is also too flexible being able to go mid OR top. Again, nothing to do with Ahri, irelia is a champ that is hard to play.

Any other questions laddy?

Oh also, you never made an argument about why ahri, an overperforming beginner's champion, needs buffs. I'd like to hear. And just arguments on topic please, I don't feel like explaining to you where 144 other champions are in terms of strength before we eventually get to the poster popstar girl.

P.S. I know you are a main, but try to base your reply in logic and not sentiment. It's not a crime to main a strong champion, it's not your fault Riot's way to balance is poor.

Small Boobs Ahri2 votes

Oh ok, if we're talking about pro games, can you get me Ahri pickrate for the last couple of seasons ?

For example we can note his nice 36% winrate on probuild as you can only base it on that

Small Boobs Ahri3 votes

Answer: 6 times, for 2 wins and 4 defeats, obviously contesting all games in LCS, LEC, LCK, LPL etc what a broken champ OS a tank with R and Z bro

Linna Excel1 votes

She got picked that rarely in pro play? Not really surprised.

She's not that great of an assassin. She's not that great of a mage. Her CC is easy to dodge and lacks impact. Sometimes I think the only reason she's got a winrate as high as it is because she has a stop feeding button that lets teammates carry her a little more easily.

Saezio1 votes

But most beginner's champs have bad pick rates in Pro.

Like, look at Annie DrMundo Garen Janna Lux Nasus Teemo Tryndamere Volibear Warwick Xerath Yorick Ziggs

They are all picked next to never in pro. And their winrates are worse than ahri's in soloq.

I am not saying ahri is S+ tier for masters/challengers/pro.

I am saying that for her status as an easy to pick up champion, her strength is not in line with most other easy to play champions.

ProphetOfDraven2 votes

She has been at 52% winrate in midlane for centuries man. She is completely fine, if not nerf worthy. Don't push your luck. She actually has pretty good damage if you properly use her ult. She doesn't have one shot potential the same way fizz does, but really should she? She has insane safety, and is ranged.

vgamedude1 votes

Down voted for calling the archetype with some of the most counterplay "unfair"

Linna Excel1 votes

{quoted}

You could ask any Ahri main in higher elos or any pro, and they will most definitely say that she's weak.

To challengers/pros anything that isn't meta is weak. At that level, most people are either meta slaves or are the most hard core OTPs.

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