Why does cs matter so much for a good score?

ps8sanyo·Jul 27, 2016·2 votes·1,695 views

I can't get S becuase I can't reach high 100+ cs I don't like that sytem

41 Comments

ReshiKillimJul 27, 20166 votes

Because CSing has a very high impact on the game.

FioraWillCarryJul 28, 20164 votes

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I can't get S becuase I can't reach high 100+ cs I don't like that sytem

You must be joking. This sounds like something somebody under level 30 would say. CS is the highest source of income in the game. Not kills mate. You could go 0-3 in lane with 200 CS by 20 minutes and carry hard.

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

I get your point cs is good but the in 15 min your staying in your lane and after the that mid-late game is now here why do I waste time casing instead of working one lane and take objectives. Plus you sound like a guy who loves to split push... I am lvl30 and I'm silver

FioraWillCarryJul 28, 20161 votes

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I get your point cs is good but the in 15 min your staying in your lane and after the that mid-late game is now here why do I waste time casing instead of working one lane and take objectives. Plus you sound like a guy who loves to split push... I am lvl30 and I'm silver

Actually you don't have to splitpush. The jungle gives a lot of extra CS. You just have to not remain idle. You know that time in mid game where everybody is just dancing around waiting for someone to go in ? Well if nothing happens in 4 seconds I'm gone. I'm gonna clear the jungle, then if they are still fooling around in mid wasting time, I'm going bot and push.

Also, you know that time after a team fight where your team barely won and everybody is chasing that 2 HP Yi to pad their KDA ? You what I'm doing ? Farming the jungle, pushing a lane or both. We won the team fight. Why the fuck are we wasting precious time running after 2 HP Yi all the way back to his base. That's a tower and about 40 CS the way I see it. That Yi is just gonna bait you into his half HP Leblanc who had plenty of time to get into position to ambush you. High CS is easy to get.

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

I get your point, but I never said anything about yi chasing. Plus you should try to get a chance to kill yo because that makes it easier to take the objectives and push. Your point is good but you said lb in a bush, you just said I won a teamfight why would there be a lb In a bush after a teamfight. Makes no sense instead of lb backing to protect while u siege to win. Cs doesn't get you towers man

FioraWillCarryJul 28, 20161 votes

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I get your point, but I never said anything about yi chasing. Plus you should try to get a chance to kill yo because that makes it easier to take the objectives and push. Your point is good but you said lb in a bush, you just said I won a teamfight why would there be a lb In a bush after a teamfight. Makes no sense instead of lb backing to protect while u siege to win. Cs doesn't get you towers man

Omg dude, I was talking in general the shit people do, not about you specifically. People waste a lot time trying cheesy shit to pad their KDA instead of pushing a lane or farming the jungle and actually getting a lead. And yes mate, CS does get you towers. How do you expect to siege it in the 1st place hmmm ? Aren't you gonna push the wave by killing minions ?

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

Ok, I'm saying if you had no minions I never said anything about my minions or me hitting the towers, I said kill enemy minions just enemy minions no jg camp I never said anything about jg, cs can't kill towers and how do get the towers if there are champs protecting them if you don't kill them, that's how I mostly won games because I kill them I kill towers, you don't here cs kills towers, I know cs is important but I'm not gonna waste kill midgets for 24-26 golds sometimes 46 for 20 min, even if I'm behind I group with them and siege

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

And no dip sht I'm gonna kill minions anyway and me and my minion kill tower but having a good score and not letting the enemy get gold and do damage to you. You win with kills and group unless your a prick who afk farms. I would farm for 15 min and jg too and group. I didn't wanna say sht/ censor, because I'm not a prick and say it cuz I can

FioraWillCarryJul 28, 20163 votes

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Ok, I'm saying if you had no minions I never said anything about my minions or me hitting the towers, I said kill enemy minions just enemy minions no jg camp I never said anything about jg, cs can't kill towers and how do get the towers if there are champs protecting them if you don't kill them, that's how I mostly won games because I kill them I kill towers, you don't here cs kills towers, I know cs is important but I'm not gonna waste kill midgets for 24-26 golds sometimes 46 for 20 min, even if I'm behind I group with them and siege

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And no dip sht I'm gonna kill minions anyway and me and my minion kill tower but having a good score and not letting the enemy get gold and do damage to you. You win with kills and group unless your a prick who afk farms. I would farm for 15 min and jg too and group. I didn't wanna say sht/ censor, because I'm not a prick and say it cuz I can

How the hell are you Silver ? You belong in Bronze 5 lmao.

EunsonJul 27, 20163 votes

If you can't cs well then you can't play the game well.

zlumpyJul 27, 20161 votes

Or you are playing something like a gank heavy jungler with slow clear speeds.

Maybe a support with AP or coin based support item.

But yeah CS is a huge indicator of top,mid, adc impact on game.

EunsonJul 28, 20163 votes

Even as a jungler, if you fall behind in levels due to low CS you lose you map pressure even with constant ganks... you become a free kill almost.

BananaJannanaJul 28, 20161 votes

'low CS' is alright for junglers because there are fewer jungle monsters than minions.

EndlessSorcererJul 28, 20162 votes

Low CS compared to laners is alright for junglers.

Low CS compared to other junglers is significantly less so.

BananaJannanaJul 28, 20161 votes

Unless they have kills to make up for it

EunsonJul 28, 20162 votes

One kill is About the same as farming one wave... It's easy to have the most farm in the game while jingling.

RemIsAmazingJul 27, 20163 votes

if you can't reach 200 cs in a 40 minute game... you need to work on that. if you look at lcs games they average about 10 cs/minute give or take. so 40 minutes in they'll have about 400-450 cs.

BananaJannanaJul 28, 20162 votes

when was the last time you reached 450 cs in 40 minutes?

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

Umm on custom because I'm not focusing on winning the game, and going for objectives normally

Mysticman89Jul 28, 20161 votes

Presumably the last time they were in LCS, which was probably never. Still, 10 cs/min is very much a thing at master+ elo.

I'd consider 7+ cs/min reasonable for plat+, and I feel like 5+ cs/min should be something anyone should be able to achieve, and if they can't they should probably practice in bot games until they can.

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

Yeah I can get 200 cs it's just I don't focus about them that much

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 27, 20162 votes

really? some games i have 100 cs as a support. item 3060 item 3512 item 3068

Laqutis BotJul 28, 20162 votes

CS'ing has too high impact on gold/ champion power, so you either have to get really good by practicing it or play more as supports. I don't really enjoy how heavily CS matters, but without it there would be less competition. As support you can lower the minions' health to a certain amount of life so the ADC can more easily last hit them, and this way it's like you're getting higher cs by helping the ADC get a lot.

A decent goal as someone already said was 10 cs/min, or 200 by the 20 minute mark.

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

Ok I'm saying for the last few games I have been doing very well carrying but my cs is like 120-110 I think that's good enough but riot thinks not. Plus what kind of adc farms for 20 min you might as well go too if your not gonna help your team group

JalkanJul 28, 20162 votes

Then get more CS?

LU Vanilla Rice Jul 28, 20162 votes

All fairness, I once got an S on ap Lucian support. So I believe you can get an S too if you work a bit harder :P

Emerald FangJul 28, 20162 votes

Riot doesn't expect you to get 100 CS in the first 10 minutes for an S. You just need 100 CS for every 10 min of game time. So you can make up the CS late-game.

sheldonbunnyJul 27, 20161 votes

Then you need to go back to basics and learn to cs. The game is not team death match. It's about objective control.

Edit: Supports only need roughly 20 cs to get a S rank anyways.

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

That's one of my points I kill people i take towers because they r dead. Cs helps you get your first 1-3 items then you get into teamfight and get gold form your fight to win. That is literally every 30+ min game ever

sheldonbunnyJul 28, 20161 votes

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That's one of my points I kill people i take towers because they r dead. Cs helps you get your first 1-3 items then you get into teamfight and get gold form your fight to win. That is literally every 30+ min game ever

You never stop farming. Therein lies your problem. It is not team deathmatch. Hell, with a splitpush team comp you barely need to be killing them at all. KDA is not the mark of a good player. It is only one part of the greater whole. By a 30 minute game if you're not at 200+, you are doing it wrong. You honestly get more gold from continual csing than you do from kills if you're consistent.

Take a look at higher tier play and look at their CS by end of game. That is what you're shooting for. We can't all have lightening fast reflexes for god tier plays but we can have healthy CS scores. Yours are near anemic.

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

That thing is I never said it was a teamdeath match but I really focus on killing the enemy late game to take the towers. I just never focus in cs late game because I don't need it much too finish the game

sheldonbunnyJul 29, 20161 votes

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That thing is I never said it was a teamdeath match but I really focus on killing the enemy late game to take the towers. I just never focus in cs late game because I don't need it much too finish the game

The point is you're compaining over not getting a S. Everybody here has continually explained to you why csing is important. It's not difficult. Just because you're stubborn doesn't mean you're making the right choices.

Do or don't. The rest of us will continue to get our S ranks while you're busy killing the enemy.

And btw, your wards are also count so better make sure to be continually placing them as the game progresses.

BananaJannanaJul 28, 20161 votes

We need to know the role you play and the length of the game you're talking about. According to my knowledge, the grade is not based on total cs you have, but on who has the highest CS in THAT game. So if everyone else has 50 cs and you have 65, you get the benefit, even if the game was 30 minutes long. This needs to be sourced, if Riot ever decides to reveal how grades are given.

ps8sanyoJul 28, 20161 votes

Ok that's great to know if everybody went 0-0 and have 50 cs and I have 65 I would get an S. I'm saying u did well have bunch of kills and assist and less death and your thinking man I did well , I carried, I deserve a good grade so I can get a free chest and get higher master lvl, but you just didnt get around 200 cs guess I got an A+

BananaJannanaJul 28, 20161 votes

Either you do extremely well (10/0 with average cs), or do a little above average but with highest cs in the game (5/2 with highest cs), that's what should get you an S. CS will always be important, as it should be.

BLACK REALM GODJul 28, 20161 votes

I play karthus a lot - king of creep score - and I only sometimes get an s. I think the game compares the graphs at the end of a match and if you do a certain percentage of everything you get a grade equivalent to that percentage. Because its definitely not just creep score and kill/death/assists

LordGeovanniJul 28, 20161 votes

games barely last 20 mins now and its not like csing is the only way to make an impact on the game where are your life saving shields and heal stats like on phantom dancer (a passive that has no business on a carry items who is supposed to be squishy) the times you cc the enemy when a team fight is going on. carries get S ranks because they build damage and the damage helps them do what they are designed to do and cs easier fighters tanks and people who cant build mostly damage cant fight carries for cs and if you leave your carry they say you trolling dont want to group or uncooperative

Emerald FangJul 28, 20162 votes

IDK why everyone thinks games last shorter now, but my games are constantly 30 minutes or higher, usually 35-40.

LordGeovanniJul 29, 20161 votes

My games all either end in a surrender at 20 minutes or go on for 3 more minutes. Either nexus or surrender then i get 40+ minute games once ever 1 and a half weeks on average, with about 3 games at least per day up to 8 games on a week day and 12 on a weekend day and thats only counting last months. If I don't count the frequency last month it was 2 months between my first 40+ minute game last month and the last 40+ minute game before that one. Thats just my luck though the games have potential to last more than 25 minutes but the nature of balancing lately makes early leads very hard to overcome even with a late game team. The players I especially play with and against seem very lazy as in they don't want to play games if they don't look like an easy shit stomp in their favor and if that happens for 1 team the next team automatically wants to surrender more often than not.