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Improving Support

Quinith·Nov 16, 2016·4 votes·1,159 views

I recently saw Riot's post about Some thoughts on Support and how they wanted to make Support more appealing/attractive for players to choose. I myself thought of a good idea for supports should be Linked with the Support items similar to with & , Therefore you can only get items when summoner spell is chosen

Upgrading to results in changing just like and

Examples makes slow for 60% instead of 30% OR makes stun the target for 1 second then does it's normal after the stun

makes Allies gain a shield for 3 seconds from 30% of damage dealt to target with debuff OR makes give a shield to ally target for 2 seconds, If the ally target with the shield structs an enemy champion they get debuffed with

gives allies 40% movement speed toward a target with debuff (similar to ) OR heals caster of for 15% of all damage dealt to target with debuff (I can see this working well with as she's focused hard in fights)

I'm getting a lot of comments about this forcing you to use over and in result to all these comments you could upgrade to Inflict grievous wounds

These are just examples that I've come up with I'm sure there would be many different Upgrades & changes, I know Half of these are really broken/Over powered, If this idea made it into the game it would be tested & tweaked for balancing in PBE

keep their actives & also keep upgraded from similar to keeping their Passive and upgraded from

You aren't Forced to not take as a Mid or ? or anything! will just be normal without it's support items This is just an idea :) feel free to give feedback or even come up with your own upgrade in the comments

speaking of feedback there are heaps of comments about problems and most of them I have solutions, before you comment roughly check if what you're about to say is already there

-Quinith

19 Comments

Ego KillerNov 16, 20163 votes

This whole thread would assume that supports should only ever run exhaust. This isn't the case, many times ignite is preferable especially when the other team has low dps and more burst.

What's actually wrong with the support role as it stands right now?

QuinithNov 16, 20162 votes

No one plays It! http://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/free-rotation/some-thoughts-support

QuinithNov 16, 20161 votes

you can still take exhaust and not have to buy the Support item, I never said lock Exaust with support! i said link it just like Smite, People are starting to take Smite mid because you can Smite birds for a Heal at a lower cd than actual heal summoner spell you can still freely take Exhaust and use it like Normal

and an Upgrade could make summoner 3 inflict grievous wounds

EtoTekaiNov 16, 20161 votes

We want less pidgin holing, not more.

QuinithNov 16, 20161 votes

What do you mean by less pidgin holing? Sorry I don't understand but would love to hear your feedback

WiniThePauNov 16, 20161 votes

This would make heal supports stronger in lane as people wouldn't consider ignite. Also, exhaust is already a good summoner spell so I suggest against it.

QuinithNov 16, 20161 votes

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This would make heal supports stronger in lane as people wouldn't consider ignite. Also, exhaust is already a good summoner spell so I suggest against it.

an upgrade could make summoner 3 inlict grievous wounds

Zach SandwhichNov 16, 20161 votes

But then we'd always have to take exhaust, and some people like ignite.

QuinithNov 16, 20162 votes

"I'm getting a lot of comments about this forcing you to use summoner 3 over summoner 14 and in result to all these comments you could upgrade to Inflict grievous wounds"

Zach SandwhichNov 16, 20161 votes

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"I'm getting a lot of comments about this forcing you to use over and in result to all these comments you could upgrade to Inflict grievous wounds"

But then why would I use ignite? Mid lanes would just take Exhaust over Ignite because it has Grievous Wounds now.

QuinithNov 16, 20161 votes

an "upgrade" if they wanted summoner 3 with grievous wounds they'd be forced to buy item 3098 item 3097 item 3096 mid laners would be better off with summoner 14 for the damage and it lasts 5 seconds not 3 and a free item slot

Zach SandwhichNov 16, 20161 votes

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an "upgrade" if they wanted with grievous wounds they'd be forced to buy mid laners would be better off with for the damage and it lasts 5 seconds not 3 and a free item slot

Sure but then that means that you'd have to buy, lets say item 3098 , to get the GW. Then the people who prefer ignite would have to take on someone like Leona . But if you put It on item 3302 then they can't properly use relic cause mage supports are ranged. If you put it on item 3301 then the tanker CC champions lose some tankiness and waste the Mana regen on it.

QuinithNov 17, 20161 votes

You have a point, I'm sure there is a way to work around it and get it to work, Either way this Post has got a lot of Hate when it's just an Idea! It's pretty un-organised but if Dev's could make this work, I'm not telling them to! Like they could bring out an item that does an AOE GW Active at a 90 sec cd! It may change Support a little more than people like but to me all I see is Supports building full AP/tank after Sightstone when there are better options to "Support" your team

Zach SandwhichNov 17, 20161 votes

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You have a point, I'm sure there is a way to work around it and get it to work, Either way this Post has got a lot of Hate when it's just an Idea! It's pretty un-organised but if Dev's could make this work, I'm not telling them to! Like they could bring out an item that does an AOE GW Active at a 90 sec cd! It may change Support a little more than people like but to me all I see is Supports building full AP/tank after Sightstone when there are better options to "Support" your team

I'm not saying that I hate the idea, just that making it like Smite is a flawed concept. If they released a completely new summoner spell just for Supports, that could work like Smite, with the different upgrades and stuff that would be cool, but you don't have to use exhaust, which would invalidate it on mids and tops who like to use it.

ChaddyFantomeNov 16, 20161 votes

should be Linked with the Support items similar to

HELL no. That's a terrible idea.

What if u wanna go something other than Exhaust? What if i Wanna go Exhaust on something OTHER than support?

QuinithNov 17, 20161 votes

select Exhaust while in Champion select and you can use it just like normal, Just like Smite you don't need to buy the Items

ChaddyFantomeNov 17, 20161 votes

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select Exhaust while in Champion select and you can use it just like normal, Just like Smite you don't need to buy the Items

and if i wanna use something other than exhaust as Support?

The Mighty QuinnNov 17, 20161 votes

This really doesn't address the reason that supports are getting picked less. If anything this just adds to it by 'encouraging' you to take exhaust over other options.

Right now supports are expected to build items for their team, rather than for their own play style. I had a game the other day where I got flamed for not building item 3110 on Zyra . I should not be expected to build that simply because I am playing support, especialy on Zyra who wants to do more damage not less. (not to mention requires that you are in the middle of the fight, right where I don't want to be).

The issue with supports is not about items or stats. Its that you are expected to be utility and only utility. Playing support can feel like you are just an extra ability that your ADC has rather than an actual player. Playing support, often, can feel like you're not even playing league, like you have your own minigame going on while everyone else is enjoying themselves.

SUPER DOOTNov 17, 20161 votes

If support gets a kill, rest of the team also gets bonus gold; thus supports can potentially be PRAISED for getting a kill instead of "WTF U STOLE MY KILL FU USELESS SUPPORT!!!!"
All players receive bonus gold (1/gs), if all players on team have active wards on the map; to encourage everyone to ward and work as a team. Also works for everyone to hunt down wards on enemy team to stop them getting bonus gold.
Support wins should be worth more LP than non-support roles, especially in bronze/silver/gold, where being a support is seen as a burden on other players. This makes winning games, or at least influencing the outcome MUCH MORE DIFFICULT than in higher ranks where players understand that supports can provide more utility and control over a game.
In general, I find supports have more map awareness. Perhaps make supports 'team captains' (special icon in chat?), where their text stands out slightly more for players on their team. This will help when someone is trying to take the lead in where to position/lane to push/strategy etc.

I could go on all day, but the fundamental role of a support (IN LOWER RANKS) is greatly diminished because of the attitude toward support. This has been the day since ~season 2. To change the attitude, we need to sway the balance of power towards a support in a game improving manner.

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