We need an option for powerfarming junglers.

Golden Tager X··2 votes·1,280 views

With the new changes to the jungle, champs like Yi, Jax, and Xin, who were already subpar junglers, are nigh unplayable. I was a Jax jungle main, and right now I literally cannot do that because ganking is the entire meta, so powerfarmers are screwed there. When the game can end at 10 minutes when someone 5 mans bot and gets turret firstblood, the ability to powerfarm and having things like devourer that let us come out of the jungle beefed up is really the only way to stop things like that from being the main deciding factor.

With the changes to camps making them take longer to respawn you wouldn't have to worry about a 2 item YI running out of jungle 18 minutes in and slaughtering everybody either. We would however have the option to powerfarm and try and swing a game back after they do that. The thing about blitzkriegs like what this entire meta is about right now is that if you cannot end it quickly after that the other team should be able to farm and outscale and win. Right now we do not have that option because adc's get murdered by every tank/juggernaut/mage/fighter out there and nobody else really has the option to powerfarm and hit their scaling fast enough to stop the game from going too far.

TL;DR We either need to be able to powerfarm with low respawn timers on camps or need an item for carry junglers so they can carry after farming.

17 Comments

Zen Ineth2 votes

What a surprise, a jungler needs to gank lanes in order for the team to be successful.

Gosh, what a novel and inspiring idea

khorney2 votes

Lol ikr .I find it funny when people complain like this about the jungker hanging early and act like it's some new thing . Hello early ganking was always a thing nothing has changed, yes then people are like it's meta now and it wasn't viable before and my ? Is this what changed.....last time I checked no one was stopping you from

Zen Ineth1 votes

...from?

Cliff hangers! My worst enemy!

khorney1 votes

Going bot with ziggs or similar before ? Or ganking early before ? There remark is it wasn't viable before what changed ....ohh wait nothing lol

Golden Tager X2 votes

It is not that it wasn't viable, it is that is wasn't the ONLY option.

Golden Tager X2 votes

It is what SOME jungle champs are designed to do, however, 3 of the hardest scaling champs in the game are junglers as well. The problem is that the scaling champs have no options as the others are better at ganking and powerfarming is practically undoable. Ganking early and such is what champs like Lee, Vi, Rek and others do. Jax, Tryn, and Yi, are all carry level of scaling, but they can't gank as well, but with powerfarming being as bad as it is now why would I ever pick them? Also it is not supposed to be the junglers job to win lanes, now there are a few matchups where all you can do is hope the jungler comes but for the most part your lane is entirely on you.

Aptest1 votes

TL;DR:

let us come out of the jungle beefed up

because I want the play style of

running out of jungle 18 minutes in and slaughtering everybody

Golden Tager X1 votes

I just want to be able to powerfarm so I can actually do what Yi and Jax and Tryn are SUPPOSED to do. Which is carry once I have farmed up. Right now they are unplayable because the game is so snowbally that someone like lee that can gank early and begin a snowball to victory. ganking is just so much better that there is no competition between farming junglers and ganking junglers.

Aptest1 votes

You're basically trying to set up a "time bomb" in your jungle. You want to take those late game stronger-than-you champions, and hide them so that their weak early game is inaccessible to the other team. In addition you want to have an interaction with your own team that you team's job is to feed you, rather than this being a more 2-way interaction.

Ok so basically what is going to happen is your team is supposed to get punished a bit because you chose someone with shit ganks. But in a power farming world, you farming that extra camp > other guy trying to gank. Also, the other guy ganking maybe helps his team but didn't deal specifically with you, and you are a win condition. So all their better early game and 2-3 won lanes won't mean anything "once jax gets his power spike".

So now a question for you:

why is this play style overall good for the game?

Golden Tager X1 votes

It is healthy as not only does it increase jungle diversity, in both champions played and styles of play, but it also allows for a game to not be over just because a team gets turret first blood and snowballs like crazy, because you will eventually hit your powerspike and be able to turn the game around if they don't end it quickly enough. I didn't say it would be powerfarming > ganking, just that it would be an actual option instead of, pick lee/hec/vi, gank so much half your jungle is always uncleared and try to snowball a game because the fact I am not farming won't mean anything once we get turret first blood.

Also there are hypercarries in this game that are not botlane, and Yi, Jax, and Tryn are kinda the holy trinity when it comes to them. Problem is Yi, Jax and Tryn are better off toplane because scaling in the jungle does not happen because by the time I scale up the enemy has complete objective control and just uses that momentum to carry them to victory.

Honestly with the amount of snowballing this game has I don't even think sated rageblade could get people farming the jungle again.

Aptest1 votes

ok, next question.

Farming style jungling: why shoud yi, trynd, jax be good with it? There are a bunch of fast-farming champions who have a good mid-game as opposed to a good late game. Why should you be able to hide "you need to shut down their farm" champions in the jungle?

Erockandroll1 votes

I think Riot is going for a different option. Given that hard farming for the first 15 minutes doesn't really get the Jungler involved, it practically becomes PvE.

However, I can think of at least 2 good things a carry jungler can do. 1) You can still gank, the only real difference is that your more reliant on your laner bringing the CC. That can work if you plan your comp for it. And 2) Even if you are going for a hard farming tacktic you should then work against the enemy Jungler by counter jungling, and ambushing him in his attempt or counter gank. Because your that AA focused, your going to have the dueling power needed.

Golden Tager X1 votes

You literally just described what playing jungle is right now, so why would I play anyone other than the people that do it best, that is the reason why we need to be able to have multiple ways of playing jungle like powerfarming so the meta junglers are not just the ones that are the best at what the jungler's goal is in this meta.

Kitsunes Lust1 votes

The powerfarm jungle path is the best option to be honest. yes, i have to agree. but with the powerfarm jungle path, it can get champs like nocture, shyvana (my main) akali, etc etc. people who rely on level 6 to get to 6 extremly fast. so fast that you can gank bot lane when they are at level 4-5 when you're level 6. and if done right and everything goes smooth, you can get level 6 in roughly 6 minutes 45 seconds.

I like to use shyvana, but the powerfarm jungle path is:

Birds (level 2) Krugs (smite) ward red + 1 potion Wolves (level 3) Blue Buff (smite) +1 potion after kill gromp (level 4) recall, get the item 3706 , item 3711 , or item 3715 blast cone and do red Birds Krugs (smite) (level 5) Wolves Gromp (smite) (level 6) gank bot/top

if you keep up the ganks and farm, you'd be able to stay 0-2 levels ahead, and eventually 4 levels ahead of your jungler if they are struggling. it's extremly useful, and with shyvana i managed to get multiple A+ and Ss in a row because i got so far ahead

Golden Tager X1 votes

Holy cow the necropost is real

Kitsunes Lust1 votes

XD i just learned about powerfarming, and i googled it to learn more and came about on this post XD it's gonna slightly change with these new keystones however... instead of hunter potion its 3 health potion, and use 1 at birds, 1 at krugs, and then you do 1 river crab, then 1 at wolf/blue buff. you need the river crab to get to lvl 6 this time sadly :/ on top of that, in order to have sustain to do level 1 birds and lvl 2 krugs, you HAVE to take resolve as your secondary rune, with iron skin for sustain for the lvl 1 and lvl 2 (hence why you take 3 health potions instead of refillable potion, cuz with iron skin, you gain 5 armor+5% extra armor each time you recover 20 HP from consumables, and since all the camps are AD, that extra armor is necessary in order to survive the birds and the krugs, and then you use the last potion for either wolves or blue buff), and either Revitalize or Overgrowth

Sona Ping1 votes

Necropost but hey! Riot's delivering on your request tomorrow~!

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