Please don't keep support items this way.

MickuPgBz·11/20/2019, 9:39:35 PM·109 votes·20,498 views

There's never been a less rewarding mechanic than leveling up your support item twice to then simply lose your gold generation. Why Riot?

137 Comments

Ventira11/20/2019, 9:41:34 PM36 votes

Cuz apparently the gp/10 for Tier 3 is roughly equal to the amount of gold generated from the old support items, in mid-game/later, when players usually completed the old t3's. (which makes sense, after a certain point in the game relic shield users were not getting execute gold anymore.)

It's also worth remembering that supports do have a grand total of 1500 freed up gold too.

Jimmy Rustles11/20/2019, 9:58:39 PM18 votes

Yea I'm not a big fan of them at all

Makes tanks feel less rewarding since you dont even get to heal people anymore, and who is gunna take the AD poke one besides senna?

Silent Reaper11/21/2019, 12:11:45 AM13 votes

I've been a support main for at least 5 years. I can tell you without a doubt they made Laning phase MUCH healthier.

Poke champions now aren't as abusable as before with lack of damage proc and mana regen. Tank champions can't just out Regen poke unless they commite to being useful in all ins such as Leona and Ali.

Additionally the extra gold + Regen means supports will scale better into mid and late game and give ADC's some more agency early game when they will be bullied less.

Anyone who complains about these support changes either

  1. Doesnt know how to support without abusing poke spells sans auto attacks
  2. Doesn't know how to survive Laning phase as tank without getting poked by auto attacks.

If you fall into either category, learn how to position,auto harass and all in better.

Madra11/21/2019, 12:35:48 AM13 votes

The other thing to keep in mind is that you used to and usually did upgrade the gold item to Tier 2 far earlier than it is now naturally evolving on it's own, so there is a pretty significant period of time where you will be losing relative gold because you are generating reduced support gold for a longer period of time.

Madra11/21/2019, 12:30:46 AM11 votes

Six extra gold a minute isn't a strong trade off for having the primary spigot of your gold turned off and this is being justified by a free upgrade into what has always been (and still is) a pretty low impact item. The sacrifice of the CDR seems like it would effect certain builds and champions with disparity. You aren't trying to maximize your gold anymore as a support; it has this kind of well, I'll get there when I get there thing going on; I'll just execute these caster cuz they are here and it's good enough.

Morrhen11/20/2019, 9:42:27 PM9 votes

They're here to stay, sorry mate. Once Riot commits to a change, they're staying with it. Sooooo, you gotta generate a lot of gold, if you want to have 4 placable wards AND additional stats for your FREE item.

Tbh most upsetting thing about the changes is removal of regen itself. Nothing else.

MickuPgBz11/20/2019, 9:47:53 PM9 votes

At least disable the support minion rule at 1000 gold?? how is this not obvious riot?

Meisakusen11/21/2019, 4:52:47 AM6 votes

Support items are useless now. They offer lower AD and AP and the key mana or health regen to help support is gone. Why even bother building them when I could just build a ring or a bracer and start swiping the ADCs minions. Trying to out sustain or out poke the enemy is pointless now as there is no reward and the idea that "1500" gold freed up for supports is a bloody lie. Now I just have to find other incomes and build extra items just to have a similar capability as what I use to have while constantly backing, watching my tower getting hit, just to regen health or mana.

There is no reason to play support now as an enchanter. Just give up and go int mid.

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Rax Reformed11/20/2019, 11:50:33 PM6 votes

You have to keep in mind that you're now getting a free 1400 gold alone, just from not having to buy upgrades. Check your overall gold per match. Now add 1400 to that. That's how you can calculate the difference in gold from last patch to this one.

Hailfire80511/20/2019, 10:47:07 PM5 votes

the new support items i find gives supports some real early strenghth they can hard push for their first item without being punished, it is usaully after that they have to start working hard to get items though

EyesReye11/21/2019, 12:46:37 AM3 votes

I just really want a Control ward build into the Support item so I can ACTUALLY build a 5th item instead of having to need an open slot for control wards..... Also, an option to quickly cycle through Champions without having to use the F1-5 keys would be really nice to have, maybe something like: Key + Scroll down/up.

MarshallgCqD11/21/2019, 5:18:18 AM3 votes

I think that riot is onto something with these items. While ADCs are complaining about getting bursted 100-0 after getting hit by a single skillshot, what they really meant was they wanted a bruiser or assassin to come into their lane and do it instead. Only this time without the skillshots.

Honestly if botlane stays like this I'm just going to have to quit adc, I've played adc for like 6 seasons and stuck through season 7 but this is just ridiculous.

Drda11/21/2019, 12:24:26 PM2 votes

Also CDR