NOTE: Thoughts of ways Riot could better balance the 'tank' meta (My opinions)
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Kempachi Taichou4 votesThis is not a tank Meta, that theory is a lie... Simple little proof.
Get it? Got it? Good!
2Sennas1Lantern2 votesTell that to the BC and full tank Darius that just one shot 3 carries in under 5 seconds. It is a tank meta dude, most tanks can deal better burst and sustained damage then carries can.
EndlessSorcerer4 voteshttp://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses
Fighters are durable and damage-focused melee champions that look to be in the thick of combat.
Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility.
Darius is a Juggernaut (which is a subclass of Fighter).
Darius is not a tank.
2Sennas1Lantern1 votes
Yeah for sure dude
Ralanr5 votes Tank
Tank
Assassin. Not a fucking tank.
Actually a fighter, but has enough CC to work as a tank.
Juggernaut.
Tank
TANK
Tank
Juggernaut
Tank
Tank.
Grats to you, you actually named more tanks than others would!
PermabannedGaren1 votes
Grats to you, you actually named more tanks than others would!
Gragas being labeled a fighter is incredibly stupid. He has a tank kit and builds full tank. He's a tank.
Volibear also blurs the line between juggernaut and tank, compared to Nasus who is firmly a juggernaut.
Ralanr1 votesVoli has like one knock up and a bunch of damage tacked onto his kit. He's as much a juggernaut as Darius.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesactually gragas is a mage bruiser who for ever til about season 4 was an mid ap mage. to call him tank cuz he can get tank items its in true. just as ekko is an ap bruiser who because of the runes and masteries you can use with certain items makes him a tank. just as amumu is considered a tank who normally builds tank from jungle but if your feeling froggy you can go full ap amumu and launch yourself in the middle of a team and unless your full kit and kill 3-5 of them instantly but you are gonna most likely die yourself unless you get hourglass to proc. just cuz you can play amumu as an ap burst dont mean he is an ap assassin
2Sennas1Lantern1 votesYou literally just took my post and repeated it back to me without making any clear points. probably because you have none, then made a passive aggressive remark at the end like that means something to the debate.
Also, if you build 6 tank items you are a tank. Period Any character in the game who builds 6 tank items should do minimal damage. All of the champions i listed do fucktons of damage without building damage. Thats the problem
Ralanr2 votesWe're obviously going to have to agree to disagree on what a tank is.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses
As are you with Riots definition.
PermabannedGaren1 votesTell that to the BC and full tank Darius that just one shot 3 carries in under 5 seconds. It is a tank meta dude, most tanks can deal better burst and sustained damage then carries can.
No they can't. You're delusional.
2Sennas1Lantern1 votesyes they can lol A tank can buttfuck any carry in the game and there is nothing that carry can do unless they are 20-0
Ralanr2 votesJuggernaut.
And if the ADC can't kite then they should just bend over.
2Sennas1Lantern1 votesIf a juggernaut builds 6 tank items they are a tank mate. And it applies to normal tanks as well. Also if the ADc kites him for 10 seconds it doesnt matter. That tank did his job and took the carry out of the fight and wasted their damage attempting not to die. If the carry tries ignoring them they die. Thats the dilemma. Tanks have access to too much damage. If they build full tank then they should tank and thats it. Not dish out retarded damage as well.
Ralanr3 votesSo I guess if Amumu builds full AP then people would cry to nerf AP assassins?
No, they'd cry to nerf tanks because that's what Anumu is regardless of his build.
Darius is a juggernaut. A tanky fighter who deals damage but has incredibly low mobility and is weak to kiting.
Juggernauts are not tanks, regardless of the items they build. Darius ain't gonna do shit to start a teamfight since all he really has to engage with is his movement speed.
2Sennas1Lantern1 votesWe are dodging the point here. The point is tanks do way too much damage and that is irrefutable. Playing ADC in this meta is cancer. Everything can buttfuck you with minimal counterplay besides burning summs and you still will probably die. They are impossible to kill and do fucktons of damage. That defeats the purpose of them being a tank. Back when i started in season 1 and 2 it was a tanky front line and damage dealers back line. Tanks didnt buttfuck carries and never die. That was the job of characters that build damage. Its gotten out of hand. If you want to do tons of damage, build damage. If you want tons of tank, build tank. You should never get both
Ralanr3 votesI'm on the other side. I agree there's too much damage, but it's hurting tanks more because they need to start getting more damage to actually stay relevant and die too quickly in fights against everything else.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesthat dont make the champion a "tank". i can play sona and go all tank items and be an "off tank" that dont mean sona is a tank. and to your statement if a juggernaut gets all tank items then his damage is lowered in comparison of building bruiser/juggernaut.
lets take garen for example. typical bruiser garen would be something like 
so a combo of those items. which makes him a juggernaut,
now if garen goes 
he wouldn't do much damage and impossible to kill. but garen isnt a tank. he is a bruiser/juggernaut
PermabannedGaren2 votesyes they can lol A tank can buttfuck any carry in the game and there is nothing that carry can do unless they are 20-0
First of all, Vayne would easily duel any tank in the game with enough of her build completed.
Second of all, being able to burst the enemy ADC doesn't mean they do more damage than the ADC. Compare how long it takes a Maokai to kill the enemy Garen to how long it takes the ADC.
Kempachi Taichou1 votesTell that carry no to build glass cannon...
Ralanr1 votesYou think carries will ever stop to even consider that?
Calabok1 voteslets buff mages instead
Very Balanced1 voteslets buff mages instead
AGREED PLS BUFF MAGES
Very Balanced1 votesAGREED PLS BUFF MAGES
And Assasins pls
five oh tree 1 votesI see you're still living in season 5.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteslol the boards have been nothing about how broken this is or that is, or this is weak. no one is every happy with the state of the game. zed was strong they nerf him hard but to compensate they make it where QSS cant cleanse his ult.
Tanks get popular cuz assassins rose to power and people bitch about a tank meta. tank meta is strong so they start buffing and reworking adcs to make them be able to kill tanks and people say this adc is broken this adc is unfair. so now there is an assassin rework coming which would suppress the adcs. the game is a cycle of bullshit cuz of the complaints about "meta".
does any one remember s3 where 
was TRULY BROKEN? where even in PRO Play he was a 95% ban champ? or how bout the days of AP 
MID which had zero counter play?
the game is like a game of rock paper scissors. paper covers rock , rock beats scissors and scissors beats paper. now lets give them "roles" rocks are "tanks" paper are "adc's squishy sustain damage ap mage" and scissors are "assassins" because top lane super tank meta came about, talking 
champs like 
indirectly got a "buff" is a great tank "buster" " split pusher" . now that the troll king who never say play s3,s4 got popular due to being a counter pick to tanks people are saying trundle is broken.
these are all examples of the "food chain " of champs comes and goes in league. but to consider the state of the game where they have made it ok and acceptable to have "marksmen" in jungle and to have nearly any champ viable top and wide range of duo lane match ups kinda makes the game more wide open.
you cant just blindly pick a champ with out thought of who you might be against, you have to give thought to team comp and match ups. of course there are "safe " picks that will be that way just by design of the champ, such as 
bot lane with out knowing match up. but something like blind picking a 
with out knowledge that your team can protect you and that the enemy team dont have a heavy dive/ assassin comp which is a good counter to kog you might get punished for your pick.
ActivatingEMP1 votesI just want turrets to do true damage so that tanks can't tank 20+ shots from a turret. It's hard for a turret to defend if no one but the tank is getting hit
